Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunting Optics Swaro z3...switch to Elite LRHS?

Well, maybe funny but also kind of sad how lately someone with a different opinion is immediately called names and making fun of just because he is not a funboy of that product.

Also seems like those not using exclusively or loving one of the scopes on the Formidilosus List are just stupid idiots.

You would have to go back and read some of his post's .......but he pretty much brings it on himself!

BTW what's a funboy?

Now your an expert on what others are seeing............?

No, not because he has a differing opinion, but because he has such a firm opinion based on zero experience with the reticle, beyond the trade show, that is. And because he is trying pretty hard to push that opinion on a bunch of people who own and use the scope in question...

No, it's not any different than it's been on here for years....it has to do with people who have no experience with a given product telling people who do have experience with that product all about it. No more no less.

Or maybe he sees it fine, and you just need new glasses...

funboy is an auto-correction of fanboy and perhaps Ackleyfan's twin?

... maybe you should change your handle to GrammarNaziFan

edit: now I even misspelled Ackleyfan ha!

He said he looked through the scope ....and did not like it

I don't care. I don't have a dog in this fight but I do appreciate all opinions.

I'm new to this forum so I'm not sure why he got that reputation and such a strong negative feedback ... its just unnecessary to make fun of somebody for his opinion IMO

I was going to ask the same thing, Brad.

I have been using the LRHS (3-12) for 3 years and have taken some game and had it in just about any hunting environment/condition you could get in NA.
I've also gone side by side test with the NXS and SWFA. While the others are impressive and have some great features (4oz less weight being the most notable) the LRHS is the top package for me... and the reticle (FFP "circle of death") I actually prefer in any situation near or far, sunlight or past dusk.

Spent a couple of minutes the last few evenings peering through a LRHS after dark (way after dark). Yes, like any FFP scope, at lower powers the thinner bars appear extra thin. ...the fix is simple, just increase the power. Around 7x you have a exit pupil over 6mm and the reticle is heavier....run it on up to 9 and the exit pupil is slightly less than 5 mm and the reticle even heavier, crank to 12 for heaviest reticle but the exit pupil shrinks to a little over 3.5mm. The "circle of death" is pretty sweet.

I'm liking the scope and reticle but trying hard to stick to my plan of using a single scope all season (still have almost 2 months left) for deer. This scope may cause me to backslide on that plan....think I better put it on a varmint rifle quick or it will end up pointed at deer.

Lol..... you don't care don't have a dog in the fight and are new to the forum.........yet feel the need to defend someone who's been having a hissy fit for years about products he's never used. If you think looking at curtains at a trade show is grounds for a argument with men who actually own and use the scope well.........

I appreciate all opinions too. I was the first to ask him if he had used the scope in this thread because I like to know what those opinions are based on. I've only looked at the scope on the web. It looks to have a thin reticle on low power. I won't completely disqualify it though because men here who have actually used it in the field are telling me that it works. I like to hear all opinions,but I will give them weight depending on what that opinion is based on.

I don't need to defend anyone. It's just silly when a bunch of grown man (or are they?) is pounding on each other everytime they disagree with each other.

So go ahead and LOL and call names like a true internet warrior if that makes you feel better.

C'mon guys, its fawking holiday season, be nice to each other, it's not that hard!

Nobody's pounding on anybody. We're simply pointing out that some opinions are worth more than others...

This conversation is really quite civil and respectful. Hang around the optics forum for a while, and you'll see what "making fun of" and "pounding on each other" looks like

This is what I was thinking

Would be calling “curtains” for this thread be a bit too ironic?

https://imgur.com/a/oAu6z

Read enough of cc's posts and it'll click for you.

Curtaincowboy has a nice ring to it.

I didn't say you needed to defend him the lol was because you were defending him yet mentioned how you didn't care.

Ironically you put words in my mouth and called me a internet warrior.....I didn't call anyone a name you are doing that.

I really don't give a ratt azz who likes what I say, The problem around here is people spend money on things and fail to admit its shortcomings. I have spent money on the wrong things that costs me 10's of thousands of $$. I am a big boy and can handle having bought the wrong things when there was something better to buy and will freely admit it.. I simply stated the reticle is going to be terrible to see in on low power and on low light. Like I said to say otherwise is denying the sky is blue. Its your choice to continue to do so. I saw all I needed when I looked at the scope in a well lit trade show and the reticle washed out against a brown curtain. I don't care what jordan smith or formadillo says. These people aren't the end all be all on everything, but rather usually parrots of group think and forum pack mentality. Its ok, I am not offended. Don't like what I say I think there is an ignore feature around here.

I had to laugh when one of these guys posted a fan boy post on how to use SWFA scopes, When all that info is widely available from other sources. You guys that want to say oh cummins you don't know crap. Are some of the same ones that were such fan boys on that post. my comment to that is you should have known all that stuff already, its pretty basic long range scope setup. Your hunting scope should be sitting on its lowest power typically most of the time. Even long range hunters shoot lots of animals at closer ranges, Trophy mule deer and elk are often pretty nocturnal, at least the large smart ones. Catching them out in mornings with very very poor light is common. Having a scope like the LRHS with no illumination to make up for it is actually a handicap. Its very very let me say very common to see animals flashing through a stand of aspens or trees in the mountains. You may only have 2 or 3 seconds to shoot. The animals I hunt don't stand around waiting for you to crank the [bleep] scope to higher power so you can actually see the reticle. What if there isn't time? what if your riding a side by said along a mountain finger and the bull of a lifetime trots in front of you at 150 yards? do you want to have to crank the scope to 7x to see the reticle? because its barely light, even if you had time how is shooting an animal that is moving or walking sound with your scope cranked to higher magnification? If you want a heavy duty scope without compromises nightforce is the only one out there that covers all the bases. The higher power model LRHS is actually the only one of the 2 models that makes some sense because the reticle is much better suited to that one. When the light is low, the reticle ruler and the fact that the subtensions are all the same, don't mean jack squat, if you can't see the reticle.

big game hunting is mostly boring for me, unless I draw a primo tag, but I do spend 15+ days in the field each year hunting high desert coyotes, in 4 western states. low light, sage brush, difficult to see animals are what I hunt. I also don't hunt or shoot 1 animal, I am hunting and killing several animals a day, maybe missing others. I am usually doing 13-15 stands a day. handling, using, shooting, looking with my gear is what I do during these times. I think it matters more what people think that actually use product in the field, not punch paper at their local gun range 3 times a year. paper punchers 3x a year is some of the people that parrot group think and forum pack mentality. its bad info. just my perspective ignore or listen. but when you attack me you have shown you have nothing to dispute my argument.

back on subject, keep the Z3