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I hate the .270 because it was the first “big game” rifle I ever owned..... a wood/Blue A-Bolt with a Fixed 4x Leupold..... that thing beat me... bad.... like Ike on Tina.

Haven’t owned one since.....


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That's as logical as the OP.
Blame the cartridge because of a poor fitting stock.


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He did prove that the .284 version of the same bullet in a .277 kills more better than dead.

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I don't know Mr. Towsley, but if I did, I would call him a lying S.O.B. This is not much different from the hit pieces that Ole Elmer Keith used to do on the 270, when he proclaimed that that the woods were full of elk, running around, packing 270 bullets. It's like an article I read many years ago, where the writer said that a 280 Remington, with a .284 diameter bullet, was a much better killer on game than the 270, with its .277 diameter bullet. Boy, that .007 sure makes a difference doesn't it.

Personally, there are a lot of cartridges that I don't care for, but I don't trash them.....I just don't use them.

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Uncle took two rifles on his two safaris to Africa in the late 60s/early 70s. Both were Model 70s, one in 458 the other 270. He used the former on elephant and buffalo. For the rest, including TWO (2) lion he used the 270 with old style Silvertips...


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Why is anyone surprised? Bryce is the modern day Elmer Keith. He only trusts medium to large bore magnums.

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Originally Posted by DakotaDeer
Bryce posts here from time to time.


He hasn't been on here since April 2014

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Quite a few years, back in 1995 to be precise, I drew a coveted Rocky Mtn Big Horn tag for Pikes Peak.Since Jack O'Conner wrote that it was the best cartridge for sheep hunting, I built one up on an Jap Araisaka action. I worked up a load using 130gr Game Kings and killed a nice ram with one shot at about 350 yards.

I then gave it to my niece which she still has, I didn't figure Colorado would ever give me another sheep tag as I had no use for it


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I have never warmed up to 270 Win or a 30-06.

I have owned several of each, but prefer a 6.5 CM, 7x57, 7-08 or even a 7mm WSM.

If that makes me a rifle looney, so be it.

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Originally Posted by moosemike
Why is anyone surprised? Bryce is the modern day Elmer Keith. He only trusts medium to large bore magnums.


He must be from Alabama. Every redneck here thinks he needs at least a 300 win mag to hunt deer. The rifle of choice, Browning,gag!

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Before I knew that the .270 wasn't enough gun for moose I took one just about every year for 20 years using over the counter 140 and 150 grain ammo. Usually federal blue box or remington core lokt. Never lost an animal and shots were anywhere from 50 to 300 yards, most at around 250 since that's the average distance across the slough we usually hunt on.

You don't get many complete pass throughs on a moose with a .270 but I did recover a good portion of the bullets stuck to the opposite hide.

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Originally Posted by Bighorn
Hey Mr. Towsley-

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Yep. Guy is a butthead. Would never waste a second reading anything he wrote.


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Bryce has written a couple off books about hunting with the Benoits. So he knows about a couple of 270s that kill the HELL out of 300 lb whitetails.

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To All,

NEVER owned a .270WCF as I've seen little that it will do that my .300SAV with 150 grain bullet won't do. Therefore, I see NO reason to buy one, though it's a FINE cartridge for any number of big game animals.

When I "step up" in caliber, it's time for the 9.3x62 Mauser that will work for ANY big game, including elephant.

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Originally Posted by smokepole
He's a writer who gets paid to fill up pages with stuff that people will read, either because it's useful, or controversial.

No more, no less. Hook, line, and sinker.




Ding ding ding.

Most ironic thing is it got posted here and a bunch more people are reading it.

I’ve never found love for the cartridge but it sure kills stuff. I got no rational reason whatsoever and when friends ask me advice on the old “one rifle for everything” purchase it’s always on the list: 30-06, .308, .270, and 7 RM.

Attack my beautiful 30-06; won’t be no butt hurt here... just an assumption that, like Bryce, one is sensationalizing his opinion for his readers. It’s cool.

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I've had a couple of bad experiences with Hornady 140gr. BTSPs, but other than that, I've never had any issues with my .270s over the years since I got my first one. I simply don't buy any more Hornady 140s. I have poleaxed a BUNCH of deer with 130 Sierras and the old Remington Bronze Points.

Life is good. My current M70 .270 makes short work of anything I point it at. Bang, thump.


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Killed my first deer with a 270 and loved the caliber ever since. First rifle i bought myself was a 270 and i have 4 different rifles in 270 and a 270 wsm also owned a 270 weatherby but wasn’t fond of the cost of the ammo for a little more performance. Hell even the cheap “[bleep]” core locts hot deer like a lightening bolt. Nothing beats it for me.


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Did someone actually pay him to scribble that drivel?


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Originally Posted by 16bore

Why I Hate the .270
by Bryce M. Towsley - Wednesday, December 6, 2017

Opinion: Why I Hate the .270

Why do I hate the .270 Winchester? Well perhaps for the same reasons I dislike fish dinners, smart cars and rap music—they just are not to my taste..


I suppose this has something to do with the long lead times of publishing and a mix up that resulted in an April 1st article ending up in Dec. grin


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Originally Posted by 16bore
Well, it's official. The classifieds will be full of used rifles and shelves emptied of ammo. Why I hate the NRA and gun rags.....too funny.



Why I Hate the .270
by Bryce M. Towsley - Wednesday, December 6, 2017

Opinion: Why I Hate the .270

Why do I hate the .270 Winchester? Well perhaps for the same reasons I dislike fish dinners, smart cars and rap music—they just are not to my taste.

First off, the .270 is too popular, and I have always disliked running with the crowd. I usually find the misfits of the world much more interesting, but I can’t make that argument and still talk about how much I like the even more popular .30-06 Springfield without embracing hypocrisy.

The .270 Win. was introduced in 1925 along with a new Winchester bolt-action rifle—the Model 54. It ushered in a new era for American hunters, with a muzzle velocity in excess of 3000 fps, and a bullet big and heavy enough for big game. It’s a mystery exactly why Winchester chose the .277-inch bullet diameter. One theory is that the company wanted something different and distinctive from the bullets everyone else was using. The 30-caliber was well established with the .30-06 Springfield, .30-30 Win., .30-40 Krag and other cartridges. The 7mm cartridges were mostly European at the time and not popular with or well-known by American hunters. That left the .250-3000 Savage as the next step down in popular U.S. rifle cartridges. I don’t think it’s any accident that the .270 Win. split the difference almost exactly.



The .270 Win. was an orphan for 20 years. Then for the next 56 years, its only sibling was a stepbrother, the .270 Weatherby Magnum. The latter is a good cartridge, perhaps even a great cartridge, but it has never enjoyed the commercial success of the .270 Winchester.

It’s only recently that a few more 27-caliber cartridges have entered the market. The .270 WSM was introduced in 2001, but sales withered in the shadow of its bigger sibling, the .300 WSM. The 6.8 SPC was introduced commercially by Remington in 2004 and was designed to bring a bit more performance to the AR-15 rifle platform. It has a small but loyal following.

The truth is, the .270 Win. is the only 27-caliber cartridge that enjoys huge commercial success—and it didn’t gain popularity until decades after its release. My guess is that if the .270 Win. were introduced into today’s “make-or-break” market, it likely would never have survived. Its eventual success is attributed to the writings of Jack O’Connor, who is often quoted as saying he thought the .30-06 was a better cartridge.

It’s said that foolish people get their opinions from others, but intelligent people form opinions from multiple sources, including their experiences. My experiences with the .270 Win. have not been very impressive.

The first time I saw it in action was back in the ’60s when my grandfather shot a whitetail on the point of the shoulder. It politely fell down and didn’t move. It was, however, in a different pasture on the other side of a fence. When we arrived, the deer was gone. We looked long and hard, but never found it.

Years later, I was hunting moose in Newfoundland and I watched a man shoot a spike bull seven times with a .270 Win. The last shot hit the spine, and mercifully the bull tipped over and hit the ground. I gutted it for him, and was shocked to find most of the bullets only penetrated about halfway through the moose.

I could, and have, blamed both of those experiences on bullet failure. While I’ll never know for sure with my grandfather’s whitetail, the moose hunter spent thousands of dollars on his hunt, yet went cheap on his ammo. He had the lowest priced, bargain-basement ammo he could find.

Bad bullet, not a bad cartridge? Not so fast.

Several years later, I was hunting mule deer in Montana when I spotted a rutted out, scrawny buck with a huge rack. I shot him with a .270 Win. loaded with factory ammo using the latest, high-tech wonder bullet. The deer dropped, but as I walked closer it tried to get up, so I shot it again. Both were broadside shots, and neither of the 140-grain bullets managed to exit the deer’s body.



I have plenty of other experiences with the .270 Win. that were also less than impressive—whitetails in Alabama, Maine, Saskatchewan and probably a few other places I am mentally blocking. There was a hog in California and an elk in Colorado. They all died, so the unimaginative will argue that the cartridge worked. I am a student of terminal ballistics, and can tell you without hesitation that in each of these circumstances it did not—at least in the technical sense. The fact that the critter died was secondary to the failed performance of the cartridge.

I used to do a lot of black bear hunting in Canada and I think I have tracked more wounded bears that were hit with the .270 than all other cartridges combined. But don’t just take my word for it. Kenny Jarrett—inventor of the legendary Beanfield Rifle, the .300 Jarrett cartridge and a world-traveled hunter—told me that hunters lose more deer at his Cowden Plantation in South Carolina with the .270 Win. than with any other cartridge.

I know this will ruffle some feathers, as the .270 has a large, loyal following. I understand that it makes no sense that I’ve had better luck with a .243 Win. than with the .270 Win. I’m a huge fan of the .280 Remington, but when you compare it to the .270 Win., there is little ballistic difference. Explain it? I can’t—at least not from a technical standpoint.

Most will agree that our dislikes and biases are often anything but logical. If you love the .270, I understand—there is no need for you to send me hate mail. I am simply explaining why I do not. I’ll bet there is a cartridge out there you feel the same way about.

For the record, I am stubborn. If anything, I continually try to prove myself wrong. I own several rifles chambered for .270 Win. and keep hunting with them, mostly because I like a little contradiction in my life. I find it keeps things interesting. But it also ensures that my opinions are drawn from a solid foundation of experience. I maintain they are.

It seems no matter how hard I try—as with the search for the Holy Grail—my quest to find love for the .270 has gone and may always remain unfulfilled.


Wow...lots of hate for Mr. Towsley. I may be the odd man out, but I find it refreshing to hear what gunwriters don't like. Sometimes I feel like they have to like everything or say something positive about a product or cartridge. From what I read, he freely admits his hate is irrational, but it still keeps him biased. I think we are all like him when it comes to what we like and dislike. He could have easily started a Ford vs Chevy argument and gotten the same results.

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