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Don't patronize me. I didn't with you. I asked you a question.

Trump shouldn't have to give up everything for a temporary job.

On the other hand, he came to be president as a rich man. The ones before him... Obama, Clinton, Bush, etc. sure LEFT the presidency pretty rich.

That, if nothing else is a welcome change.

I don't see the evidence for any of your statements. (or the name calling)

Sycamore

He won't be fired or dismissed, by anyone, & he will use the illegally obtained e-mails. He' s bound & determined to get Trump, legally or otherwise, & he's not going to step aside either.

MM

Well, reportedly there were classified materials included and I doubt Mueller's band of lawyers has high level or even any security clearance. That material should have been examined by qualified intel folks before turning it loose. Casual handling of classified materials doesn't seem to be a big deal any more...

We'll see how it plays out.

Df

I asked you six questions and you dodged every one.

Especially the main one: How Much Money Does He Make From the New Tax Bill?

What would be patriotic about not taking a salary? It's more smoke and mirrors, from a flim-flam man who has come to town and taken some of the rubes in. Like I said, he's making plenty of money the other way, he doesn't need the salary. He's got the swamp right where he wants them, lining his pockets.

He's still got aliens working at Mar-A-Lago.

Remember when he was going to be too busy to play golf?

Remember when repeal and replace was going to be "so easy"?

People bought that schidt up.

Remember when Roy Moore was no good, then he was good, then he was no good again? Trump is always right, to Trump, and the Ever-Trumpers.

Sycamore

And some Liberals think they are smart and actually believe the schit they write.

Suck it Syc, Trump won, get used to it he'll win again.

Idiots usually don't recognize the fact that they are Idiots, it's part of the disease.

Trump probably doesn't make much money from salary like working people, so I doubt that tax bracket lowering helps him much.

Lowering the top bracket help people who earn salaries & wages, not people who make their money owning assets.

As often is the case on 24CF, All that is way over some heads, they have already made up theirs minds
and have pitchforks and lit torches at the ready for Mueller.





Executive privilege does not apply until one is the executive; these documents are from the TT,
before Trump became the executive.

Trumps TT lawyer claims they were given assurance by the previous GSA-G/C( Beckler) who has since passed away,
that they would 'own and control' the information.

Current GSA -D/C Mr.Loewentritt ,has disputed such...he tells that TTT members were informed that any materials
they produced using government systems could be turned over to LE.

TTT legal reps should have arranged written signed proof of any such alleged assurance given by GSAs Mr.Beckler,
if they don't have such, then they weren't looking after the Transition team as their client.
Even then, a personally issued assurance does not necessarily override the legislated powers of a Fed. investigation
or GSA operating procedures.
People can issue assurances that actually have no legally binding effect. ..So It could be that the TTT legal team failed
in their due diligence.

Loewentritt mentioned a list of agreements that anyone had to agree to when using GSA materials during the transition,
including monitoring and auditing of devices and that, “Therefore, no expectation of privacy can be assumed.”

Loewentritt first suggested a warrant or subpoena for access to the materials, but then decided the Special Counsel’s Office
administrative letter of request for information , was sufficient.







A “reasonable expectation of privacy” under the 4th offers some protection against unreasonable searches and seizures
—ie gov. is required to go to a judge to obtain a warrant based on probable cause.

However, when a third party (GSA) holds the records, courts have ruled there is no reasonable expectation of privacy.
2010, U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit, Rehberg v. Paulk, 'that a person does not have a reasonable expectation
of privacy once any copy of the email is delivered to a third party'

One can piss away any honor they may have earned in past exploits. McStain and Mueller have both overdrawn their accounts.

If theres classified gov. data contained in the material that not even Fed investigators should be privi to,
then why did he TT allow a team of ordinary private lawyers be the appointed administrators of those accounts???

This thread is about a potentially illegal probe by the Mueller team. I can see why you would want to change the subject. There's no telling how much a 2% income tax relief will save him. Most of the money he makes he doesn't make as regular income though. Instead of maligning the man, you should be worshiping him. He and the other top 20% of wage earners pay 84% of all the income tax in this country. That means those of us who didn't do what it takes to become rich, the other 80%, only pay 16% It really seems silly to me when people resent high wage earners. Most of them will pay more income tax in a year than we will in a lifetime. Class warfare fail. You and your ilk will never admit it, but you are grateful the rich are funding the country. Next time you see a wealthy person shake his hand and thank him.

So Rehberg v. Paulk would tend to overturn the Presidential Transition Act since a 3rd party is always involved?


If I am heading an investigation, and I have stacked my team with people who politically oppose the person I am investigating, and I know much of the population thinks I am conducting a witch hunt, I am going to try my best to keep everything above board. If I am doing my best to keep everything above board, why wouldn't I go ahead and get a warrant if I know that legally it's a close call?

Most of those dumbasses bite the hands that feed them.

Bite them hard enough, and you have... Venezuela.

All of the devices along with the server belong to the government. None of the e-mails or other communications are private. All are public property and can be viewed by anyone including all of us. Although you might have to file a lawsuit through the freedom of information act to get it and some sensitive material could be deleted. Anyone working in a government job knows, or should know this.

There may be some illegal activity in the investigation, but this isn't it.

Nah.

It's just more of the double standard BS we have been seeing since Obama took office.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...hand-subpoenaed-documents-trump-dossier/

Not true. The infrastructure,(the cable, switches, etc), the servers, the Post Office servers that hold the emails are privately owned. How long they hold the emails is variable. Emails held on P.O. servers can be and has been recovered and used in criminal prosecutions..

The government owns all of those devices of the transition team?

More grey area of the Law being exploited by Special Council. Been there done that. It’s a cats out of the bag sort of thing that can’t be put back in even if ruled by a judge to have been inappropriate.

And no being a former Marine doesn’t give you any “Leeway” to do things that are not above board.

Appears to me no one Trumps Team screwed anything up but that GSA handed over the materials to the FBI without a warrant as instructed by their internal procedures which have probably never been tested as to the legality of such an action,