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It's pretty clear you don't have a clue. If you don't like the Fire, waste time, ours and yours, somewhere else.

Indeed.

AODA is a glass house that most families find themselves living in without any blame whatsoever accruing to anyone but the person abusing drugs. Even moreso with serious mental illness. And the move-in date is never of your choosing.

Throwing stones from that position is highly problematic. The folks who do soon find themselves dealing with a cold draft.

That's my take on it as well.

Having had to actually consider it (for BIL,not son) and not wanting to deal with the family relationship consequences, it becomes very important to have more tools than just the "hammer".

As usual I’m in complete agreement with you and appreciate your thoughts. The notion that addiction is what happens from lack of good parenting, morals, or principles is false on its face. If the addiction accompanies mental illness it is magnified by several orders of magnitude. I fault the parents of addicts (not all) as much as I fault the parents of a child with leukemia. If you’ve never had those struggles and your grown children never had those problems I’d suggest falling to your knees and thanking God and pray that your grandchildren are as lucky. My heart ached for Biden loosing his son to cancer the same as my hearts aches for the Palins; authentically and without regard to their political affiliations.

Our boys are coming home from war and struggling with PTSD while society looks down their noses at them and their “weakness”. I dream of the good things I could do if I hit the powerball and while a new truck and boat would be my selfish indulgence I dream of being able to use that to create a place where our vets could deal with their demons and overcome their illness. There’s a man in West Virginia that would be my first stop to visit and seek advice from because not a day goes by that I don’t think of his son or the grace with which he’s displayed in spite of such a heartbreaking loss. The number of brave warriors that we lose everyday to suicide is a national disgrace!

Surely you have proof of this? Link?

I think that a significant number of people diagnosed with some sort of mental illness are a product of the health system, otherwise psychiatrists and psychologists wouldn't have enough "real" patients to justify their existence.

One of my oldest friends has had to deal with a son who is addicted to oxycontin and alcohol. The man has been in and out of drug rehab multiple times over the past 15 years and continues to tear his family apart. About a year ago, his mother told me that she wished that he would die, so that the family could start to heal. The last time I heard from him he asked for a "loan" and hung up on me when I told him that I wouldn't be his enabler.

Good post.

And no health care for people with bad diets. No saving drunk drivers. Or speeding/ careless drivers. Anyone who bad choice.

Ok Sharpnel.

humans, needless to say of what political expression, are a violent species. we kill things. even each other. don't believe it? just look it up, and do a bit of research.

folks here on the Urth are trying to survive, in the face of many challenges and difficulties.

said another way, corrollary damage is not to be desired, but it exists.

i wonder what is it going to take for humans to become civilized? are there too many males, full of testosterone, walking around and causing trouble?

it's something to think about, even though no one is about to take any kind of action.

Sorry, I don't agree with this.

While PTSD does exist, I'm getting a bit tired of it getting trotted out as a defense against all bad behavior. I personally know a local dopehead that trots out the PTSD defense every time he's busted with dope. He had a job as a civilian forklift driver on Bagram air base for a while and he tries to use the fact that he was once in Afghanistan as an excuse for being a dopehead. Fortunately very few fall for it.

The Palins live on a lake in Wasilla, they're four miles from a Walmart Supercenter. They're not living in some remote village where drugs are harder to interdict than in Ohio.

There's no bigger Obama hater than me, but this isn't his fault. Sometimes a punk is just a punk and needs either locking up or his butt kicked, or both.

No indeed. I don't believe in censorship. I merely am of the opinion that using such disparaging terms is ugly, and often, if not always, says more about the person using the term than anything else.

West Virginia isn't for everyone and that's a good thing.

The people I met and talked to in Alaska were conservative people but had nothing for the Palins. Said she was not what she seems on TV. Trash was one of the descriptions used.
My opinion was favorable from what I saw of her but the family dynamics indicate that something isn't quite right.
As a man and a father I can't imagine one of my sons coming in my house and whipping my ass. I would fight like a tiger to make sure that didn't happen.And I wouldn't feel sorry for them if they challenged me.

Likely most everyone has their own demons to deal with, but a PTSD victim's family/friends are forced to also share the victim's suffering. I was a PTSD skeptic until after a non-drinking/druggie Christian relative returned after one year service in Afghanistan. Two weeks in,his base unit was suicide bombed and under face to face fire for thirty six hours. For the next several months he lived in fear of food poison, (friendly soldier suicide bombers) , from the Afgahns friends within their compound. Yes PTSD is real and crushes everyone surrounding it. GW

Before the good people of Alaska let Sarah and her family get run out of office with feverous law suits, she had the highest approval ratings of any governor in the country.
Every state but Alaska protected their governors from that trash treatment. Alaska did not get around to doing that until after she was gone.

Was not an issue prior.

Sarah Palin has mentioned the issue of vets and PTSD and tries to relate issue to her sons problems with the law...

From my understanding he was in a combat zone, but was assigned to an armored vehicle based 'air guard' role
that looked after the security of high brass away from the frontline.

Question -
does Track Palin actually have verifiable medically diagnosed combat related PTSD..?

did he earn a CIB signifying active ground combat?


calling LE peasants, it is possible he actually suffers from Palin related Affluenza?

She's looking the wrong direction. She needs to look inward. When her oldest child was only 3 years old, she entered politics and has been active ever since. She's never been home to be a mother. You can argue women's rights or women's emancipation all you like, but when Mom is out in the workforce and not home with the kids, the kids will suffer. They need to know that Mom is always right there to help them through the small problems and that Dad will be home later to help her solve the big ones. She wasn't there. She was at city council meetings, running around campaigning for this or that issue, or sitting in the statehouse. You can't do that and expect your kids to have a normal home life. Women's lib has been very destructive to our country.