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Anyone have experience with these? Would like to try a fixed 6X rifle scope and Leupolds are getting pretty expensive. Wondering if this would be a worthy option. Thanks.
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Yes, it's a good option. A bit tight on eye relief at times. A bit short on tube-mounting-length, which can make it a tight to impossible fit on some long actions.
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I have a bunch of the Weaver classic K and V series scopes. I also have a bunch of Leupold VX-I's and II's. Aside from the shorter eye relief that DakotaDeer mentions, I consider the Weaver's better than the Leupold's. Optically they are pretty close to dead even but the Weaver's adjustments are clearly better.
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The 6x38 works very well on a short action Rem 700. To use it on a Win M70 FWT short action, I had to use a reverse front Leupold base. It's all because of the long taper of the front tube and the short eye relief. Optically, they are just a shade below the Leupold FXII 6x36, but I like the Weaver duplex better than the Leupold wide duplex.
I no longer have any 6x38s but do have several 4x38s. They have a little more eye relief plus they work really well on a .22 rifle. Parallax is set at 100 vs 150 for the Leupold.
Here's the rub: try selling a Weaver vs a Leupold. I like the Leupold best. It is a slim, and trim rig. Much smaller than the Weaver. Resale is better too.
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Whichever way you go, you will like your straight 6X. On a pain old "huntin' rifle", it's all you need. Not to offend anyone, but if you think you need a 6 - 24X with a BDC reticle and side focus to kill a whitetail at 300 yards, what you really need is to learn to shoot.
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Yes, it's a good option. A bit tight on eye relief at times. A bit short on tube-mounting-length, which can make it a tight to impossible fit on some long actions. This mirrors my limited experience with the K6. I mounted one a 243 RAR for the boys. I was able to get it set properly for them, but there's not a lot of wiggle room left. It's a bit less forgiving to get behind than some other scopes I've used, but still easy enough. My 7yo was able to find this yearling doe at 151yds... Untitled by Tyler Staggs, on Flickr
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DakotaDeer pretty much summed it up. I bought two, but was only able to use one because of the limitations he mentioned. I suspect that long objective appeared fairly recently. Anyway, I ended up putting mine on a .22 that needed an upgrade and like it there.
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I think very highly of the K4 and the K6.
I personally like the 4 better and I am also fond of the old K3 and K2.5 I wish Weaver would return to making such scopes in 2X and 3X also.
But my own rifles now have quite a few k4s on them, and my 404 Jeffery has a K2.5
If I could have them make a "dream scope" for me it would be a 30MM tube with a 40MM objective. 4X magnafaction. Spring tempered stainless tube and a reticle that had 4 MOA dots or dashes, going to the bottom of the scope's field at 6:00, so I could use it to figure my own drops with the loads I use. Fast and easy to dope your drops that way, and super easy to learn and remember.
If Weaver made such a scope I'd buy 6-8 of them right off. Maybe more. I's take off some of the scopes I have now and sell them to the folks that think gadgets are cool, and replace them with the scope I just described. This would be a HUNTERS scope. No crap hung all over inside, no variable power settings, no adjustable parallax ring, no stupid target turrets. Just a sight that never fails and is rugged as a splitting maul.
Such a sight is good for shotguns with slugs, 30-30s, 270s, 300 ultra mags, 408 ChyTacs and everything else that you HUNT with. A scope is supposed to be a SIGHT and the shooting is up to the shooter to learn. KISS rule all the way.
All that fancy stuff does have a place in shooting, but not very often in hunting. It's just more stuff to make mistakes with. As a guide I have seen such mistakes so many times that I can't believe others are not demanding the same kind of scope I just described.
The K4 and K6 are the closest thing to it on the market today.
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I don't know about where you guys buy your rings and bases, or what you prefer...
But as far as a K 4 or K 6 not being able to be put on a long action...
The ones I have, have all spent time on long action rifles...predominantly model 70s...but also Rugers..
on the Model 70s, I just used Weaver rings and Leupold rifleman bases... Weaver also offers an extended base and ring, which I have used on a couple of long action Model 700s over the last 30 years...
I've owned as many Weaver K series and V series as I have Leupold scopes... The Weavers had better tracking on the adjustments for sure...
and then when I bought mine, the K series was $99 and the V series was usually $119, unless on sale for $99.. via Mid South or Natchez...
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I don't know about where you guys buy your rings and bases, or what you prefer...
But as far as a K 4 or K 6 not being able to be put on a long action...
The ones I have, have all spent time on long action rifles...predominantly model 70s...but also Rugers..
on the Model 70s, I just used Weaver rings and Leupold rifleman bases... Weaver also offers an extended base and ring, which I have used on a couple of long action Model 700s over the last 30 years...
I've owned as many Weaver K series and V series as I have Leupold scopes... The Weavers had better tracking on the adjustments for sure...
and then when I bought mine, the K series was $99 and the V series was usually $119, unless on sale for $99.. via Mid South or Natchez... Sent you a PM Seafire.
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Big Weaver straight 4 or 6 guy. But at dusk and dawn even a leupold vx-1 wins.
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Big Weaver straight 4 or 6 guy. But at dusk and dawn even a leupold vx-1 wins. Haven't compared a K-4 or K-6 side by side with one of my vx-1's but have just recently compared a V-10 and a VX-1 side by side at dusk and the V-10 was slightly but clearly better. Have also compared my K-2.5 and VX-1 1-4X20 side by side with the VX-1 set at 2.5x and the K-2.5 wins without a doubt.
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I ran a new 6x38 through my night-time chart test in 2014, and it rated better than a new Leupold VX-2.
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Anyone have experience with these? Would like to try a fixed 6X rifle scope and Leupolds are getting pretty expensive. Wondering if this would be a worthy option. Thanks. I tried one and thought it fell too far short of the Leupolds, besides the attractive price. Eyebox was too tight, critical IIRC.
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I consider the Weaver's better than the Leupold's. Optically they are pretty close to dead even but the Weaver's adjustments are clearly better. But-don't-sight-them-in-the-cold-because-they-tend-not-to-move-until-they-warm-up-sometimes.
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I have that scope and like the optics but the eye relief is just too short for a long action bolt gun...this is most important to me in selecting a scope and is the main reason I like Leupolds. Although it seems to work fine for other shooters.
On a short action bolt gun I could live with it, but why?....the eye relief is still too short for me even on a short action.
What these Weavers have going for them is decent optics and light weight at a cheap price. The K6X38 sits in it's box now. Though I am seriously thinking of mounting it on a Ruger 77/22 squirrel rifle.
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Absolutely for the price the K6 is an excellent option to a Leupold FX II 6x36 but id still rather have the Leupold as it is a superior scope as it should be for twice the cost.......Hb
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I think they are both really good scopes. With the limitations I put a K6 on a Howa mini in 7.62x39 and a FX-ii on a Remington 721 in 300 h&h. Both work very well.
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Yes, it's a good option. A bit tight on eye relief at times. A bit short on tube-mounting-length, which can make it a tight to impossible fit on some long actions. I have a bunch of the Weaver classic K and V series scopes. I also have a bunch of Leupold VX-I's and II's. Aside from the shorter eye relief that DakotaDeer mentions, I consider the Weaver's better than the Leupold's. Optically they are pretty close to dead even but the Weaver's adjustments are clearly better. My thoughts also.
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