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Originally Posted by butchlambert1
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I just asked a simple question that I know you can answer. Which would be better at distance, 7mm-08 or .308?




308 of course. And no I do not have one at this time.


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Originally Posted by tansinator
I know who I wouldn't get info from for now on.


You might want to check out Butch's bona fides before making that statement.

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Originally Posted by brinky72
Have a friend who is looking into buying a 7-08 Remington 700 for target shooting. He doesn’t hunt or load his own ammo. I’m trying to talk him into a 6.5 Creedmoor but he found a good deal on this rifle. Anyhow. What do you all suggest for factory target/ match ammo.?

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Wasn't the 7mm08 popular with the metallic silhouette crowd?

Yes.


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If I were wanting to shoot some small groups or, have a rifle I could have some great confidence in. It would be this Bad-Boy

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Originally Posted by Hammerdown
If I were wanting to shoot some small groups or, have a rifle I could have some great confidence in. It would be this Bad-Boy



Must be a millennial.

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Originally Posted by butchlambert1
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If I were wanting to shoot some small groups or, have a rifle I could have some great confidence in. It would be this Bad-Boy



Must be a millennial.

Too funny!
I'm way too old for that.

I had a young fella at church, tell me that rifle was the one to have. I don't take anything too serious anymore. Time is too short. Enjoy life, have a good day.


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I love my 7-08s, but I don't shoot factory ammo. If you don't reload, stick to the 6.5 creed or 308 for a decent selection of factory ammo. Maybe the 6mm creed will join that list, but so far the factory loads are limited but good.

Now as reloads go, my 7-08 shooting the 162 ELD-M at 2800fps makes my quite happy.


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Originally Posted by butchlambert1
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Butch, I disagree with that statement totally. I would say if you had a .308 and a 7mm-08 built to same standards. The 7mm-08 would shoot just as good and probably better, at distance, due to bullets with better BC's. People shoot .308 to 1000 yards and it it plenty accurate. Why wouldn't the 7mm-08 be just as good as a target rifle?




Well, you are entitled to disagree. Never seen any body use a 7-08 in competition. 308 can shoot well. You ask why, BULLETS.




I have and on occasion still do use a 708 for match shooting, and I know quite a few shooters that d0 to

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Originally Posted by gemby58
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Butch, I disagree with that statement totally. I would say if you had a .308 and a 7mm-08 built to same standards. The 7mm-08 would shoot just as good and probably better, at distance, due to bullets with better BC's. People shoot .308 to 1000 yards and it it plenty accurate. Why wouldn't the 7mm-08 be just as good as a target rifle?




Well, you are entitled to disagree. Never seen any body use a 7-08 in competition. 308 can shoot well. You ask why, BULLETS.




I have and on occasion still do use a 708 for match shooting, and I know quite a few shooters that d0 to



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what results they shoot I use them in matches with good results have two 708 that will shoot with the best of them, trued 700, Hart sendero taper barrel, McMillian stock, they both wear Leopold 6.5x20 lrt they shoot one hole groups not benchrest groups but out to 600 yards my favorite 708 will shoot 1 1/2 groups

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Originally Posted by APDDSN0864
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I know who I wouldn't get info from for now on.


You might want to check out Butch's bona fides before making that statement.

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Originally Posted by tansinator
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I know who I wouldn't get info from for now on.


You might want to check out Butch's bona fides before making that statement.

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Could care less about Butch's bona fides!



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There's a guy out of Canadian Texas that used to shoot a 7-08 in Highpower Rifle Competition. He even won a thing or two with that caliber (before he moved on to the 6.5-08 and later the 6X and 6XC.

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Originally Posted by ChrisF
There's a guy out of Canadian Texas that used to shoot a 7-08 in Highpower Rifle Competition. He even won a thing or two with that caliber (before he moved on to the 6.5-08 and later the 6X and 6XC.



David was smart enough to recognize it and change.

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Never seen any body use a 7-08 in competition.

...just addressing the statement. If I had to recommend something to the OP for a shooter that didn't reload, with an unknown sport, with an unknown budget, I'd say 6.5 Creedmoor. If he continued to be locked onto the 7-08, I'd tell him to chase down HSM or other outfit to load up some ammo for him.

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Originally Posted by butchlambert1
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There's a guy out of Canadian Texas that used to shoot a 7-08 in Highpower Rifle Competition. He even won a thing or two with that caliber (before he moved on to the 6.5-08 and later the 6X and 6XC.



David was smart enough to recognize it and change.


Notice he went to 6.5 mm and 6mm, not to .308................ummmmm..................grin


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Originally Posted by tansinator
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There's a guy out of Canadian Texas that used to shoot a 7-08 in Highpower Rifle Competition. He even won a thing or two with that caliber (before he moved on to the 6.5-08 and later the 6X and 6XC.



David was smart enough to recognize it and change.


Notice he went to 6.5 mm and 6mm, not to .308................ummmmm..................grin



SIR, to give you credit, he may be using whatever. If you go back and read the choice of 7-08 or 308 I recommended the 308. I don't think David uses factory ammo either. Let's get back on topic, OK.

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if you have enough money don`t buy just a Remington rifle or a Remington receiver,buy a Bat action/receiver have a good machinist that does build 1000 yd. bench guns .you will have a much more accurate rifle and the rifle will be the right weight for the light rifle class . 6.5 creedmore,6.5x284 "which has won a lot" but don`t forget the littler 6B.R. wins plenty too has no recoil and very little barrel wear. if you need a machinist who builds these bench rifles that do win plenty P.M. me. you do need to learn to reload your own ammo and use only lapua brass. niteforce target scope 42 x, your looking at $5000.00 probably to shoot well ? good luck Pete53


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I do get what Mr Lambert is getting at. He's a benchrest guy, and the cartridges in the past to his standard were limited by the quality of the bullets. It was basically 22, 6mm and 30 cal for his game back when. Even in my game, there wasn't a lot of options until the bullet design and quality improved. When Jimmy Knox, Walt Berger and Cauteruccio started putting out slippery Highpower appropriate bullets, we got the AR service rifle, the 7-08, 6.5-08 and the host of 6mms. All this of course was in the realm of handloading.

Today we are in a different place. I'm surprised no one has invoked Brian Litz in this discussion. He wrote a thoughtful article on the whole 30 vs 7mm discussion. Here's a summary;
http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2011/07/30-caliber-vs-7mm-for-long-range-litz-offers-analysis/


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