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I saw this too. I can’t see anything different between them and the A17’s, except the tip color.
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I saw this too. I can’t see anything different between them and the A17’s, except the tip color. Speer bullets, apparently NOT a V-max, with a thinner jacket. That would imply that Speer finally decided to offer a poly- tipped bullet.
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My Ruger 77/17 is not as accurate as I'd like. It's also picky about ammo. A few months ago, I shot some A17 ammo in it, and I think it may be the answer to my accuracy problems.
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I have a Ruger 77/17 in 17 wsm. Before I bought it I did some google reviews reading on the 77/17 and came away with a consistent impression that Ruger was hit or miss on accuracy. Some reviewers were upset over accuracy because of the higher cost for a Ruger 77/17 compared to other manufacturers. Expecting a true tack driver for $650 or more paid. Other Ruger owners swore by the dime sized groups theirs shot. I rolled the dice knowing the potential for disappointment. First thing I noticed was the horrible trigger out of the box. This, I had to fix, before I even chambered a round. I bought a Jard trigger. Put it in and set it for 2.5lbs. Took it out to sight it in and was happy as hell not only with the improved trigger, but the accuracy was good too. I got lucky. Maybe working on your trigger will produce better groups for you.
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Not only is it that accurate but the bimart has 50 rounds of CCI for 8 bucks a box. Why use a centerfire?
how can it be cheaper than 223 on blue dot primer 0.018 powder 0.035 bullet 0.04 that's 0.0947 per round or $4.75 per box and kill a heck better than a 17HMR , even full house loads cost only over 0.13 per round
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I sure can't find primers for $1.80 a pack or bullets for $4.00 a box round here. If I could I sure would stock up.
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I sure can't find primers for $1.80 a pack or bullets for $4.00 a box round here. If I could I sure would stock up.
God Bless, Louis 10,000 Speer TNT bought in 94, for $200.00 bulk box, primers found a heck of a deal 2 years ago, old Remington primers made in 93 for $17.95 found in back of a warehouse and they blew them out. deals are out there, I always buy in bulk
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Gemby, your explanation of cost is not apples and apples today. Using 1994 price levels is an odd way of sharing cost, at least to me. I don’t view reloading as a brilliant enjoyable past time. It’s great for precision loads but not for volume at least for me.
My time value has also got to be figured into the mix. I can be doing a lot of other things in my life than reloading bulk ammo in volume. Not to mention I could not load it to be more accurate.
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Gemby, your explanation of cost is not apples and apples today. Using 1994 price levels is an odd way of sharing cost, at least to me. I don’t view reloading as a brilliant enjoyable past time. It’s great for precision loads but not for volume at least for me.
My time value has also got to be figured into the mix. I can be doing a lot of other things in my life than reloading bulk ammo in volume. Not to mention I could not load it to be more accurate. i can quote 94 prices as that's what I paid and still have a box and ahalf left so this is what it cost me to load, its alot cheaper than 17HMR prices, and kills one heck of alot better, more accurate and less wind sensitive, I enjoy reloading, i better i do it every day for at least 2 to 3 hours, if I didn't I would not do it or pay someone else to do it.
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I own a 17 HMR and a 17 Hornet.
17 HMR ammo on sale for 9.99 for 50 or .20 cents per shot.
17 Hornet, a lb. of powder reloads 700 cases or about .03 cents per round. A small rifle primer is .03 cents. A bullet is about .12 cents or less. Total cost is .18 cents.
17 Hornet is 3700 FPS and is much more accurate than a 17 HMR
I am a very frugal buyer of reloading supplies. It costs me less than .16 cents per round to reload .223 ammo. Bullet hornaday 55 fmc or spire point, when purchased in boxes of 6000 bullets, cost me .0575 per bullet, powder cost is .07 and per primers cost is .025 cent.
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I have a 17 hmr... Truthfully, I love it.. I also have a host of other varmint rifles from the 22 mag. though the .220Swift... I have reloaded thousands of rounds and plan to load more, but the 17hmr, and .22 mag. are rifles I really like because I don't have to reload for them.. I bought ammo when it was cheap and plentiful.. Probably have enough for the next 5-10 years.. I use the two rifles when shooting under 100 yards or so.. When ranchers want varmints gone, I try to do my best.. As ranges lengthen I switch to another caliber.. I love these two calibers and they have a special place in my varmint shooting battery..
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There's some places you can't shoot a centerfire rifle.
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There's some places you can't shoot a centerfire rifle. anyplace where you can shoot a rim fire you can shoot a centerfire, rimfire ricochet more than centerfire, if you use a bullet like the speer tnt in a 223 no ricochet
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There's some places you can't shoot a centerfire rifle. anyplace where you can shoot a rim fire you can shoot a centerfire, rimfire ricochet more than centerfire, if you use a bullet like the speer tnt in a 223 no ricochet There are some places where centerfire rifles are illegal to hunt with, but rimfires are allowed.
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Is it legal to hunt squirrel in PA with a centerfire? And why would you want or need to?
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gemby58,
Good to know Pennnsylvania is the entire U.S., or maybe the universe--which is what some other Pennsylvanians I've met seem to believe.
There are some places where centerfires aren't allowed for some hunting on public lands, at certain times of year, which is why the .17 Winchester Super Magnum was developed for larger varmints such as coyotes.
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Is it legal to hunt squirrel in PA with a centerfire? And why would you want or need to? yes you can hunt squirrels with a centerfire, I use a 223 with blue dot loads to do so, squirrels @ 100 yards are easy
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Is it legal to hunt squirrel in PA with a centerfire? And why would you want or need to? yes you can hunt squirrels with a centerfire, I use a 223 with blue dot loads to do so, squirrels @ 100 yards are easy gemby58,
Good to know Pennnsylvania is the entire U.S., or maybe the universe--which is what some other Pennsylvanians I've met seem to believe.
There are some places where centerfires aren't allowed for some hunting on public lands, at certain times of year, which is why the .17 Winchester Super Magnum was developed for larger varmints such as coyotes. Mule Deer, I'm not concerned with the rest of the united states, I don't live there, I'm saying what I use here in pa
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