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can you use semi-auto's there?
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Well, there are 49 other states. IIRC, Connecticut has strict rules on where you can and can't use CF rifles.
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There's some places you can't shoot a centerfire rifle. anyplace where you can shoot a rim fire you can shoot a centerfire, rimfire ricochet more than centerfire, if you use a bullet like the speer tnt in a 223 no ricochet The 17 HMR with the 17 grain poly tip bullet is very low risk of ricochet. When those bullets hit almost anything they come apart and have no gas left. I certainly wouldn't say the same for your average 223 bullet, even the more lightly constructed ones. In the unlikely event of a miss, the 223 is going much further.
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17 Hornet, a lb. of powder reloads 700 cases or about .03 cents per round. A small rifle primer is .03 cents. A bullet is about .12 cents or less. Total cost is .18 cents.
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yes you can hunt squirrels with a centerfire, I use a 223 with blue dot loads to do so, squirrels @ 100 yards are easy
You ought to let these folks know, they have it all wrong. https://www.pacode.com/secure/data/058/chapter141/s141.22.html
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Gemby, your explanation of cost is not apples and apples today. Using 1994 price levels is an odd way of sharing cost, at least to me. I don’t view reloading as a brilliant enjoyable past time. It’s great for precision loads but not for volume at least for me.
My time value has also got to be figured into the mix. I can be doing a lot of other things in my life than reloading bulk ammo in volume. Not to mention I could not load it to be more accurate. i can quote 94 prices as that's what I paid and still have a box and ahalf left so this is what it cost me to load, its alot cheaper than 17HMR prices, and kills one heck of alot better, more accurate and less wind sensitive, I enjoy reloading, i better i do it every day for at least 2 to 3 hours, if I didn't I would not do it or pay someone else to do it. Holy crap man. I am a little bit disappointed I have to explain this to you. You were extolling the cost benefits of reloading based on the price you paid for reloading components a quarter century ago. That's like me getting into a "which gun" discussion and trying to convince people to buy a Winchester Model 70 based on what I paid 25 years ago. That's plain damn dumb.
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I consider a .223 or .224 bullet to be greater than .22 caliber. I guess PA leaves that up for interpretation.
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gemby,
You really don't get it, do you?
You're insinuating that anybody who buys and uses a .17 HMR is dumb, because YOU don't need/want one, since Pennsylvania (where YOU live) doesn't require rimfires for hunting small game, and YOU can handload cheaper ammo based on 1994 prices.
Are you related to Savage99?
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gemby,
You really don't get it, do you?
You're insinuating that anybody who buys and uses a .17 HMR is dumb, because YOU don't need/want one, since Pennsylvania (where YOU live) doesn't require rimfires for hunting small game, and YOU can handload cheaper ammo based on 1994 prices.
Are you related to Savage99? It'll be interesting to see if he lets it go rather than double down. If I were a betting man I'd wager a big bet that he doubles down on the dumbassery and wears it like a badge of honor.
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I consider a .223 or .224 bullet to be greater than .22 caliber. I guess PA leaves that up for interpretation. It's hard to argue that a 22 caliber centerfire isn't 22 caliber. Rimfire 22's aren't 22 caliber either, by such a definition, as the guns are cut with .222" grooves as standard. I reside part-time time in PA, and no one I have ever spoken to regarding guns or small game hunting in PA interprets the law the way you have here, Paul. But I agree that standard attribution error is going on here, with Gemby universalizing his rather specialized set of experiences, which is irrational at best.
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Is anyone producing 17 HMR with bullets over 20gr?
25-30gr and a bit less violent expansion?
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I should add that my dad built a 17 HMR out of a Ruger 10/22 in 22 Mag, with carbon fiber bbl, heavy bolt, and special recoil spring. He never shot it while he was alive. I swapped out the crappy factory trigger for the Ruger light trigger (that they should put in the guns in the first place). It will shoot a full 9 shots into an inch at 100 yds with whatever ammo I've this tried. Awesome rig, just awesome.
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gemby,
You really don't get it, do you?
You're insinuating that anybody who buys and uses a .17 HMR is dumb, because YOU don't need/want one, since Pennsylvania (where YOU live) doesn't require rimfires for hunting small game, and YOU can handload cheaper ammo based on 1994 prices.
Are you related to Savage99? I'm not insulting anybody that owns a 17 caliber heck I own 17 HMR 17 Hornets 17 Remington I'm just stating that my experience for the 17 HMR for groundhogs in Pennsylvania is least an adequate I rather take a 22 long rifle out there and shoot groundhogs in with a 17 HMR and this is based on my experience
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gemby,
You really don't get it, do you?
You're insinuating that anybody who buys and uses a .17 HMR is dumb, because YOU don't need/want one, since Pennsylvania (where YOU live) doesn't require rimfires for hunting small game, and YOU can handload cheaper ammo based on 1994 prices.
Are you related to Savage99? I'm not insulting anybody that owns a 17 caliber heck I own 17 HMR 17 Hornets 17 Remington I'm just stating that my experience for the 17 HMR for groundhogs in Pennsylvania is least an adequate I rather take a 22 long rifle out there and shoot groundhogs in with a 17 HMR and this is based on my experience, and that I rather take a 223 out with blue. Reduced loads and a 17 HMR because it kills more adequately
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Gemby, your explanation of cost is not apples and apples today. Using 1994 price levels is an odd way of sharing cost, at least to me. I don’t view reloading as a brilliant enjoyable past time. It’s great for precision loads but not for volume at least for me.
My time value has also got to be figured into the mix. I can be doing a lot of other things in my life than reloading bulk ammo in volume. Not to mention I could not load it to be more accurate. i can quote 94 prices as that's what I paid and still have a box and ahalf left so this is what it cost me to load, its alot cheaper than 17HMR prices, and kills one heck of alot better, more accurate and less wind sensitive, I enjoy reloading, i better i do it every day for at least 2 to 3 hours, if I didn't I would not do it or pay someone else to do it. Holy crap man. I am a little bit disappointed I have to explain this to you. You were extolling the cost benefits of reloading based on the price you paid for reloading components a quarter century ago. That's like me getting into a "which gun" discussion and trying to convince people to buy a Winchester Model 70 based on what I paid 25 years ago. That's plain damn dumb. I'm saying that I rather go load 223's and go pay $10 a box for HMR ammo when I can load a hundred rounds of 223 is 4 less than that doesn't matter if my bullets came from 10 years ago 20 years ago 30 years ago I still have a pile bullet so it does not cost me that much money holy crap man
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Gemby, your explanation of cost is not apples and apples today. Using 1994 price levels is an odd way of sharing cost, at least to me. I don’t view reloading as a brilliant enjoyable past time. It’s great for precision loads but not for volume at least for me.
My time value has also got to be figured into the mix. I can be doing a lot of other things in my life than reloading bulk ammo in volume. Not to mention I could not load it to be more accurate. i can quote 94 prices as that's what I paid and still have a box and ahalf left so this is what it cost me to load, its alot cheaper than 17HMR prices, and kills one heck of alot better, more accurate and less wind sensitive, I enjoy reloading, i better i do it every day for at least 2 to 3 hours, if I didn't I would not do it or pay someone else to do it. Holy crap man. I am a little bit disappointed I have to explain this to you. You were extolling the cost benefits of reloading based on the price you paid for reloading components a quarter century ago. That's like me getting into a "which gun" discussion and trying to convince people to buy a Winchester Model 70 based on what I paid 25 years ago. That's plain damn dumb. I'm saying that I rather go load 223's then go pay $10+ a box for HMR ammo, I can load a hundred rounds of 223 less than a box of HMR holy crap man
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1994 prices should include the cost of the money.
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gemby,
You really don't get it, do you?
You're insinuating that anybody who buys and uses a .17 HMR is dumb, because YOU don't need/want one, since Pennsylvania (where YOU live) doesn't require rimfires for hunting small game, and YOU can handload cheaper ammo based on 1994 prices.
Are you related to Savage99? It'll be interesting to see if he lets it go rather than double down. If I were a betting man I'd wager a big bet that he doubles down on the dumbassery and wears it like a badge of honor. You lost your bet
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What did a brick of 22lr cost in 1994?
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