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Before anyone gets too worked up, searches didn’t do what I needed.
I thought I was doing another 6.5 (probably creedmoor), but I have a fondness for 7s and the 7-08, and then for comparisons on what does what, the 308 and 270 are considerations, as well...even if I haven’t been a big 270 fan. Trying to gauge pros/cons of a GP hunting rifle with these vs Utility, weight, recoil, ease of feeding and extra shooting...where I need to be. Only one I haven’t hunted and killed with is the creedmoor....range only in a heavier gun. Pleasant to shoot. I’m just second guessing because I like the 7-08 and the numbers on a 270, and the availability and heavies you can get with the 308....but I like lighter guns to carry and heavier guns to shoot. Where’s my compromise? Heck, there’s 280 as well. I’m just waffling on what the next rifle should be chambered in and weigh vs recoil and effectiveness. Not sure the 6.5 is gonna give me anything a 708 won’t, including recoil with similar bullets. I won’t do more than range play past 400, 90% of the time with this one. I also won’t be climbing mountains or traveling more than a couple of miles carrying it, either. It does need to balance and not be a bench log, though. Just bored again, I guess. Would welcome insights without any pissing match over them. I don’t have that much loyalty to a given cartridge. I just want the best package I can enjoy and not get bored, frustrated, or beat up with.
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I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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The 7mm-08 excites me more than any of the others.
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My son bought a Bergara rifle and has a heck of a coupon for a second Bergara from that same dealer that he wants me to use. But what I want is a 7mm-08 and they don't offer them except in their custom line and I'm not paying that. But I can't get excited about their offerings.
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7-08 would do it all for you, in a 6.5 or 7 pound bare rifle.
Myself, I prefer the 308, just because.
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I have been recoil sensitive since I was a 14 year old skinny kid shooting a 30-06 Remington pump, with a metal butt plate and 180 grain bullets. It bruised my shoulder and caused my ears to ring for a month. I still believe that the tinnitus I have today started back then. So, I do prefer to shoot rifles that light recoiling, and over the years have come to settle on cartridges that are easy on the shoulder. I have arthritis in my shooting shoulder, and that is a major concern for me.
I have a 6.5 Creedmoor, a 7-08, 7X57, 270, and 308. This is my first year shooting the CM and I'm very impressed, as far as accuracy and the light recoil. It's a Howa, which is of course a little heavier than most rifles are, and that may have something to do with it. I've never been able to warm up to the 7-08. It's a very good round, and may be the most versatile of the lot. I like the 7X57, but mostly for nostalgia sake. The 308 is also a nice choice, and probably deserves to me used more than I use it.
That leaves the 270. It was what I call my first "real" deer rifle, and I've killed a bunch of deer with it. As far as a cartridge strictly for deer, it may the best there is. It does have more recoil than I like when used in a lightweight rifle, and that's one reason I rarely use mine much anymore. But, as far as all the cartridges mentioned, the 270 is probably the best of the lot, as far as it's use for hunting. I say that, even though mine has taken a back seat to the 243 and the 6.5 Ceedmoor.
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The most important question is what you are going to hunt and where. You allude to not climbing mountains or going more than a couple of miles, but no mention of game.
In general, for what you have spoken of in general terms, I believe I would get a good .270 or 30-06 and call it good. Either in an 8 1/2# scoped rifle would be pleasant to shoot and effective. I’d probably not want to shoot a brown bear with either, but I surmise this would not be on your agenda.
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You allude to not climbing mountains or going more than a couple of miles, but no mention of game. Nor does he mention hand loading vs. factory ammo. That would sort a few things out, too. 7-08 offers a lot of versatility & killing power, without a lot of recoil or muzzle blast. If we were able to use the transitive property to add the 7x57's laurels to the 7-08, it would run away with the market. Alas, Bell didn't schlep no 7mm-08... I could also see the .308 as an equal contender. My own preference is to have one shooting at .300 Savage levels. That's probably an acknowledgment that I prefer less recoil & muzzle blast than a full-blooded .308 round. Depending on how you look at it, you can't lose among your stated choices. Then again, maybe you can't win? Toss a coin & rock on. It's all for fun, anyway, no? FC
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Flat trajectory , reasonable recoil, 6.5. I have several 6.5's in 260 Rem, 6.5x55, 6.5-06, 264Mag .For over 120years the 6.5 in various forms has been taking every size of game on the planet.
I use mine to take large muley's & elk every season. No problem. Now with the extreme durability of the homogeneous copper bullets like the Barnes TSX the 6.5's are even better. I see that Hornady list their 6.5 CM factory load loaded with the 120gr GMX & they state it suitable for game up to 1500Lbs. In Scandinavia the 6.5x55 has been taking moose reliably since it came out at the turn of the 19th century. When you read the history of the 6.5 & it's accomplishments you get a perspective based on in the field results & not emotion. Read the exploits of W.D.M. Bell "Karamojo Bell". How he took numerous elephants & over 400 head of every size of African plains game with the diminutive 6.5MS driving a 160 gr bullet at barely 2300PFS. He averaged 1 1/2 shots per animal. That means many were taken with one shot. Read the history of the 6.5 & understand its ability.
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Any insight into the best 7-08 round for deer and elk? Factory or handload?
I just fell into a deal on a 7-08 Rem stainless model 7.
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.308 Winchester. I'm primarily a deer hunter with a cow elk when I can draw a tag. It can be loaded down to .30-30 or .300 Savage performance levels and is plenty of cartridge for any of the above out to 300 yards which is my limit provided I have a rock solid rest.
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You can get a pretty light 270 and recoil is not that uncomfortable. You can also get plenty of factory loads holding premium bullets for it. Of the three for me it would be a 270 and I already have 2.
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Any insight into the best 7-08 round for deer and elk? Factory or handload? And into Pandora's box we go...  Contender bullets: 120 NBT 140 NBT 140 NAB 140 NPT 150 NPT 140 Etip 150 Etip 120 TTSX 140 TTSX 150 TTSX 139 IL 154 IL 156 Norma Oryx (yadda)^3 In reality, whatever shoots best in your rifle. 7-08's don't push bullets to warp speed, so pick something that the mfgr claims will still open when it gets to the velocity at the longest distane you'll be shooting. IOW, lots of cup + cores will work fine, but so will the premiums. FC
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Any insight into the best 7-08 round for deer and elk? Factory or handload?
I just fell into a deal on a 7-08 Rem stainless model 7. For dual purpose premium factory loads, the Nosler 140gr. Accubond would be my choice. Non premium, I'd go Fed Fusions or Hornady Interlocks. Hand load choices are aplenty, FC pretty much covered it.
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270 or 308 for me-tough to narrow it down to just one. 
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As much as I love the 270... My M7 stainless with an edge in 7-08 is as close to perfection as I have found yet. Very nice to carry... very comfortable to shoot and even easier to load for.... Just fill it with r15, 4064, Varget or damn near whatever is on hand and top it with a 120 nbt and go kill schit.
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I don’t think there is a bad choice out of those you are considering. I’m a 270 Winchester fan but could see the benefits of a short action if you were so inclined.
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I don’t think there is a bad choice out of those you are considering. I’m a 270 Winchester fan but could see the benefits of a short action if you were so inclined. Hard not to choose the 270Win (my favorite), but it's hard to beat a 7-08 in a light rifle for most anything in NA.
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Sounds like you want a 7mm-08 the most from reading your post so that's the one I think you should go with. There really isn't enough difference between the rounds you are looking at so you might as well go with the one you really like.
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Sounds like you want a 7mm-08 the most from reading your post so that's the one I think you should go with. There really isn't enough difference between the rounds you are looking at so you might as well go with the one you really like. This ^^^^ ... For elk size game on down, pick the one you like best and go hunt. You only gotta please yourself...
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I think the 6.5CM offers the most performance for the least recoil. Factory ammo is available, but not as widely as the .308 or .270. If you want to be able to buy ammo anywhere, I’d go with the .308, which is a great cartridge too. Up to 600 yards or so, you’ll not notice a significant difference between the CM and the .308. Same with the .270.
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Amongst those you list I don't feel there is a BAD one.
My preferenceS are 270, or 7-08.
I've HAD a Tikka T 3 Lite SS 270 since 10-2003. NOT ONE single solitary problem. The new T 3X seems as good or better, but don't know from experience.
The T 3 Lite is NOT a super light but it AIN'T heavy either. I like the D M but some don't.
I'd agree with WHOMEVER said, pick the RIFLE you like over the cartridge.
That said a Tikka T 3 Lite in whichever cartridge you prefer.
Good Luck in you conquest.
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Wow. Good input, all around. I do load, though being able to buy good stuff off the shelf is never a bad thing. I am kinda leaning 708 for a bolt hunting rifle, and I also have a hankering to build a 6.5CM in an AR10 style platform for a ‘toy’. My main hunting uses are deer and hog, with some potential mullet, elk, antelope,....and anything else I can down the road.....but lining up and hunting other stuff might justify more rifles.  I’m talking stands and eastern still hunting and maybe Texas/Oklahoma hunts, mainly. On the other hand, I have other stuff I hunt with, so I could go way different, but then. Might not carry it out as much. I’m not recoil shy, per se.....I just find it less and less sensible to deal with these days, and definitely less fun at the bench, working on loads or getting trigger time. I kinda figure as 7-08 and 120s to 140s in either the 708 or 6.5. I’m thinking 130-165s in either the 270 or 308 are a bit more noticeable....but probably not much.
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Oh, and Tikka lites/Superlites are on the short list, along with sako featherweights, maybe a Montana, or Barrett. I’ve had a couple of M7s in 708 and I liked the idea of the M7 much more than using the M7s: they seemed clunky to me and none shot consistently well. Like 700s better.
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Assuming same rifle weight and barrel length, the Creedmoor will kick the least and make the least noise, if that's what you're after. And it sounds like that's what you're after.
Also, a 22" barrel will have less blast than a shorter barrel. And all these factors should make a rifle easier to shoot accurately.
I think the 7-08 runs a close second. Except that for me, I have to drive a lot further to buy ammo. And it costs a good bit more.
Of course, the more noise and recoil on one end usually equals more damage on the other end. But I grow tired of shooting a little quicker with more boom and blast.
Really, you should get two rifles. A .223 to "play with out to 400". And then a Swede to hunt with.
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I liked the idea of the M7 much more than using the M7s: they seemed clunky to me and none shot consistently well. Like 700s better. Very well put, IMO. I never could understand why a 700 Mtn felt so much better to me than a M7, but there was just no comparison. From your list, I'd be sorely tempted by the Montana. FC
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If said rifle is a Tikka, then the differences in those chambering boils down to the warm and fuzzy you get when you open a box of ammo and how well you shoot.
The rest won't matter.
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Oh, and Tikka lites/Superlites are on the short list, along with sako featherweights, maybe a Montana, or Barrett. I’ve had a couple of M7s in 708 and I liked the idea of the M7 much more than using the M7s: they seemed clunky to me and none shot consistently well. Like 700s better. That's my feeling & opinion too. I've also read here on the fire that the main problem with the M 7 is the factory stock. 'They' say an aftermarket stock makes them feel better. I don't doubt that. How could they feel worse? Jerry
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A better stock could cure the feel, but curing the bolt wobble feel, and noodle barrel, not so much.
I don’t have to have the lightest or shortest rig, but it needs to shoot, balance, and feel ‘right’ and not end up 8.5-9# loaded up, with Talleys, and a decent scope. There’s a point where it’s too light for me to shoot well or enjoy it much. Where that is depends on stock and barrel, and my shooting, I guess.
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Hey ! I’m in your camp too. BTW you are right !! Jerry
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Find a rifle YOU like in 270 or 7-08 and go forth and shoot/hunt the heck out of it.
If it is a LA, 270.
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i have an M700 CDL in 280, and several buddies don't like shooting it. They don't like the recoil. They don't mind the 7x57 in the Ruger Mk II. Since you like 7s, I'd recommend a 7mm08 and calculate the weight of the rifle against the charge to deliver no more than 15 ftlb of felt recoil. You can do that with a 7lb rifle and a 7mm08 launching 140s at 2800 fps using 47 grains of powder
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270 for me based only on the fact that I have owned one longer and have a higher confidence level with it. In other words,based on feelings rather than numbers and logic. logically,any would work just about as well.
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I have rifles in all these calibers but 6.5 Creedmoor. Actually the 7MM-08 is my son's but I have shot it a lot. I've really tried to fall in love with the .308 without success. My go-to deer rifle remains a .270 Winchester. To me, it is about the package, not the caliber necessarily. My particular .270 started out life as a Remington Sportsman 78, which was their bargain line. I bought it at a pawn shop when I was a poor starving college student. I've had the action smoothed, trigger adjusted to 4 lb. and added a nice walnut stock. It prints sub-MOA groups with cheap bullets, is light enough to carry easy, and kills deer like lightning at extended ranges. It fell out of a scabbard once, and a buddy accidentally drove over the buttstock once so it isn't a safe queen. ![[Linked Image]](https://i.imgur.com/JYLxFrf.jpg) I'm sure an identical .280 or .30-06 would be just as useful, although they have marginally more recoil and aren't quite as flat. There is a reason that the .270 is such a popular hunting round. If I was looking for a target rifle, the 6..5 would be a strong contender.
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While discussing calibers, I have noticed blast and different recoil on 270s vs say 308 or 708. Also, what/how much difference or pro/con on stocks w/BC vs McMillan vs Manners vs ????
I figure any recoil and blast differences can mitigate w/stocks and barrel length....which gave to be weighed against cost and length, etc?
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Non of those have much recoil, unless you are injured.
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You know, it’s never the first 10 shots that get me. It’s the last 10-50, at least with most LA stuff and my >7mm stuff. My light 356/358s accumulate quickly. LOL
Then again, a 243 with a short barrel starts giving me a headache from blast after a while, so blast is just as big of an issue in a hunting gun, when doing extended shooting....IME.
Again, not that I’m recoil ‘shy’, just recoil sensible. I like to shoot what I hunt, as much as is possible/practical...but I’ve never burned out a barrel on one of my hunting centerfires. My Tactical/range guns are a different story, but more because I don’t give them a chance sometimes. LOL
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If those 4 were the only ones on the list I'd take the 270 as a 1st choice with the 7-08 being so close that it really doesn't matter.
I have used the 270 for many years now, and I have never seen any reason to criticize it. From Jack rabbits to domestic cattle and horses, everything I have ever shot with a 270 using a good bullet has hit the ground, either instantly or very soon after the shot.
The 7-08 is so close that there would be no difference at all again if good bullets are used. I am sure they are neck and neck. I choose the 270 because I don't have any short actions that float my boat the way the standard and long actions do.
I also have a LOT of experience with the 308. Nothing to complain about, but over 40 years has shown me that the dramatic kills of the 270 are just a bit more noticeable then they have been with the 308. So I would put the 308 in a close 3rd place.
My favorite 6.5 of all is (and probably will remain) the 6.5 Swede. I think VERY highly of the guns and the cartridge. But out of the 4 listed I rank it last just because of the fact I prefer the faster speeds of the 7 and 270 with 150 and 160 grain bullets. But if I were given a 6.5X55 and unlimited ammo of my own choosing, I am sure I'd do just fine.
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From game to shooting games, tikka t3x ctr in 6.5 creed. I'd like that action in aT3 stock.
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I like everything about the 7mm08 but the name. I hate saying it. Why couldn't it be called a 284 Remington or something without the mm in it? And it is really not a 7mm oh 8. It's a 7mm zero eight. "Oh" is not a number. Other than that, it's my favorite cartridge.
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Any insight into the best 7-08 round for deer and elk? Factory or handload?
I just fell into a deal on a 7-08 Rem stainless model 7. No such thing as best anymore!
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All work and essentially do the same thing, but just one; 308. I used to be intrigued by 7-08, but in the real world it is a ballistic twin to 308. Only about 1 ft lb less recoil, and with the best loads the trajectory out to 500 yards are within 1-2", the 7-08 only has about 30 ft lbs more energy at 500. Hand loading is a wash price wise, but the better prices and availability of 308 factory loads just makes it the better option.
If you want to go really long range the 6.5 beats both of them with recoil closer to 243. With the better 140 gr bullets the 6.5 will kill anything a 7-08 or 308 will kill.
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Serious hair-splitting going on here!! My own sense is he wants a 7-08, so that’s what I reccomend. Any of these rounds are interchangeable. The rifle, and the way the rifle is set up would be more important to me than the chambering...
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The 7-08 is so close that there would be no difference at all again if good bullets are used. I am sure they are neck and neck. I choose the 270 because I don't have any short actions that float my boat the way the standard and long actions do.
I also have a LOT of experience with the 308. Nothing to complain about, but over 40 years has shown me that the dramatic kills of the 270 are just a bit more noticeable then they have been with the 308. So I would put the 308 in a close 3rd place.
There is NO insult intended here toward anyone. What SZihn says is WHY I don't have a 308 w. My short list does NOT go to 3 rd. place. Jerry
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Just gotta figure out where the warms and fuzzies are.....
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What the local Walmart sells. I took a perfectly serviceable .308 and made it into a 7mm-08 and while I like it a lot, my factory ammunition cost about doubled and no deer is going to tell any difference.
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There is that. Seems 7-08 used to be more common around here, but the selection is low these days. IF I go with another Tikka, short action or long, Rifle and action are same length/weight, AFAIK. Might as well go 270 as 708 or 308?
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Oh, and Tikka lites/Superlites are on the short list, along with sako featherweights, maybe a Montana, or Barrett. I’ve had a couple of M7s in 708 and I liked the idea of the M7 much more than using the M7s: they seemed clunky to me and none shot consistently well. Like 700s better. That's my feeling & opinion too. I've also read here on the fire that the main problem with the M 7 is the factory stock. 'They' say an aftermarket stock makes them feel better. I don't doubt that. How could they feel worse? Jerry Purchased a M7 stainless the same year Remington chambered the 'new' .260 rem. Figgered it to be the perfect mountain rifle. Just couldn't warm to it. My son used it a while before I sold it. Bought a Tikka T3 8 twist 260 and then a 700 260 when Remington got smart and twisted the 260 right. Love them both, with a bit of a preference to the 700. Just feels good and shoots great. These have become my favorite deer rifles.
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No discernible difference in performance on game between the four.
Pick the one that tickles your fancy based on a criterion important to you. Fastest? Go .270 Win. Least recoil? Go 6.5 Creedmoor. Most available factory ammo? Go .308 Win. Like .284 cal bullets? Go 7mm-08.
Any reason is fine, as these four check almost all the same boxes.
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On paper the 7-08 is the best all around cartridge maybe ever...
But I’m partial to it’s bigger brothers .308 or .338 federal
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I’m generally gonna have 356/358 rifles around, as that’s my weakness. Having said that, the 338 is too much of a little brother, and 308 could be. I guess I’m more trying to talk myself into or out of the 270 or 708 vs recoil and blast, over the 6.5CM. I’d love a 6.5 Swede, but I’d have to load that, for sure. Not a problem until I’m lazy or procrastinate and am out of time. Of course I could just load 300-500 of whatever, and go for a while. Just never know when I’ll get to.
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What’s the intended game for the rifle?
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Mostly deer and hogs. I hope to throw in different and bigger stuff, and plan on some visits to more rangy places, where I might stretch past 300, if needed. At the moment, leaning more 270 or 708 vs 6.5
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I find it hard to believe there’s any performance reason to choose one, certainly not for deer. Whichever floats your boat and comes in a rifle that suits your intended use.
One performance thought; I had dinner with a couple S. African PHs this weekend and asked about the 6.5 Creedmoor. They have had clients use it, and do so effectively, but indicated it would not be their rifle of choice on larger plains critters. They still prefer heavier, stout bullets from cartridges such as 308 or 7x57. Listening to them and their experiences has me reconsidering a build I’m planning.
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Any of them sound great, but I'd choose a .308.
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The heavier bullet options are what has me looking hard at 708 and 270...but I also have 225gr 358 loads that are enough medicine for most any critter I’m liable to hunt. This is more specific to deer/antelope sized stuff.
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Before anyone gets too worked up, searches didn’t do what I needed.
I thought I was doing another 6.5 (probably creedmoor), but I have a fondness for 7s and the 7-08, and then for comparisons on what does what, the 308 and 270 are considerations, as well...even if I haven’t been a big 270 fan. Trying to gauge pros/cons of a GP hunting rifle with these vs Utility, weight, recoil, ease of feeding and extra shooting...where I need to be. Only one I haven’t hunted and killed with is the creedmoor....range only in a heavier gun. Pleasant to shoot. I’m just second guessing because I like the 7-08 and the numbers on a 270, and the availability and heavies you can get with the 308....but I like lighter guns to carry and heavier guns to shoot. Where’s my compromise? Heck, there’s 280 as well. I’m just waffling on what the next rifle should be chambered in and weigh vs recoil and effectiveness. Not sure the 6.5 is gonna give me anything a 708 won’t, including recoil with similar bullets. I won’t do more than range play past 400, 90% of the time with this one. I also won’t be climbing mountains or traveling more than a couple of miles carrying it, either. It does need to balance and not be a bench log, though. Just bored again, I guess. Would welcome insights without any pissing match over them. I don’t have that much loyalty to a given cartridge. I just want the best package I can enjoy and not get bored, frustrated, or beat up with. ..........................................Out to 400 yards 90% of the time that you mention, they are all gonna work. If it were me in your position, then the question imo should be. Okay, which one is going to work the best down range in terms of better ballistics; offering better trajectories, less wind drift, better bullet BCs, and has relatively low recoil etc and etc. Here is a link to an article talking about all the cartridges you mention above and one excellent alternative to all of them. Next on my acquisition list, will be my very first 6.5mm, and it will be this particular 6.5mm. Note the first few sentences. https://ronspomeroutdoors.com/blog/6-5-284-norma-best-short-action-cartridge/
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That’s great, but we get into the loading conundrum again, and I might as well just get a 6.5-06.... to simplify things.
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The problem with math and cartridges is it never takes into account when is really enough. Out to 400 yds as you’ve stated there are countless ways to have ‘enough’ and I’d suggest more is not always really better. For the requirement as you’ve stated, I’d focus on the rifle more than the cartridge. You’ve stated you like 7s. Go 7-08 and pick an action, barrel length and weight and a stock that fits.
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That’s great, but we get into the loading conundrum again, and I might as well just get a 6.5-06.... to simplify things. .................What loading conundrum does the 6.5/284 have? I have yet to read of any. And I know several who own the round without issues. Yep! Ballistically, the 6.5/06 is equal to the 6.5/284. But imo, the 6.5/284 might be "inherently" a little more accurate. Many semi custom and custom rifle manufacturers report that the 6.5/284 is one of their favorite 6.5s.
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I guess I’m more trying to talk myself into or out of the 270 or 708 vs recoil and blast, over the 6.5CM. I’d love a 6.5 Swede, but I’d have to load that, for sure. HH, I'm actually a big fan of the 270, the Baby Magnum. Less recoil than it's sister, the 30-06. I've owned a few... pump, bolt, and semiautomatic... but certainly am not an authority on the 270. I think it really boils down to how far you plan to shoot, and how much practice you are willing to endure to be proficient at that distance. Or how much practice you'd like to do from field positions, especially prone. I know dudes that shoot one round to check zero and then go hunt (but at very limited distances), but others who like to practice with 40 or more rounds from prone in one session. I can tell you that I am far from recoil shy, but notice that something like a T3 in 270 gets obnoxious after 10 rounds from prone. And have seen some buddies throw in the towel well shy of two boxes of ammo with similar T3 and RAR rifles. Now, this is from field positions and we are doing other drills such as reading wind, etc. These dudes just gave up. They quit and refused to shoot another round. And that was just day one. Forget about shooting the next day. These relatively young, and fit dudes are done shooting, and we haven't even completed the learning activity. I also think that catching the impact, or miss, is also important. Seems that this is less likely to occur with a light 270 than a similar 6.5mm Creedmoor or 7mm-08, but of course this depends on total rifle weight, load, etc. Just my observation. That said, I think the 6.5 Creed in something like the RAR doesn't recoil too differently than a 7mm-08. The .308 seems to recoil noticeably more. Not in terms of pain. None are all that painful for one round while sighting in or actual hunting. Rather, it is the skill that it takes to mitigate recoil and hopefully catch the impact for longer shots. Also consider offhand shots at 100, seated at 200 to 300, etc. I wouldn't rule out the .243 or 6mm Creedmoor. Just my thoughts. Good luck on finding the Grail! Jason
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It’s MY particular loading druthers, mentioned earlier in the thread. I can and do load. Sometimes I’d rather spend my time grabbing some off the shelf and shooting, when I don’t have time for both.
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Actually good points, and what I suspected. If I want to go put 50-100 or more through it, the 6.5 is probably the lighter kicker. Imnotinto 6mm stuff as much due to my 243s which seem ‘blastier’ under 22” than even my bigger stuff. Yes, they kick less, and maybe it’s something others don’t notice, but it seems to add up as fast as recoil in other guns...to me.
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It’s MY particular loading druthers, mentioned earlier in the thread. I can and do load. Sometimes I’d rather spend my time grabbing some off the shelf and shooting, when I don’t have time for both. ..................Gotcha............If my dealer has no 6.5/284 ammo when I get started, then I'll order 100 rounds of ammo on line and then use the brass for reloading. The 6.5/284, while not the most common 6.5, ammo and brass is available. It will take some thinking ahead of time.
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Imnotinto 6mm stuff as much due to my 243s which seem ‘blastier’ under 22” than even my bigger stuff. Yes, they kick less, and maybe it’s something others don’t notice, but it seems to add up as fast as recoil in other guns...to me. I hear what you're saying. Perceived recoil is just as much about the blast, as it is about the sensation at the shoulder.
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I own seven 270's and two 7-08's. I consider the 7-08 to be a 270 short and does just as well with the lighter bullets, but the 270 pulls away a tad with heavier bullets. I was seriously considering a 270-08 at one time, but the 7-08 won out due to already being a factory round.
The SA vs LA is not a big deal to me as my edge stocked 270 FWT is plenty light enough for me. I found the Kimber 84L in 270 to be too much of a good thing. But I am not a serious mountain/backpack hunter like some here.
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prefer the penetration of a 140g in 6.5x55, really slippery through the wind also. Swede loves 24” barrel or more and my departed Tikka only had 22”. Just seems the 7mm is better suited in a long action ideally 280 Rem. If I could do it again, the Swede on one of those Sako intermediate actions would be the most perfect medium game/ deer rifle/ varminter all in one, waiting on my Swede on a LH Rem 700 action almost 2 years now, should have it next months 👍
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prefer the penetration of a 140g in 6.5x55, really slippery through the wind also. Swede loves 24” barrel or more and my departed Tikka only had 22”. Just seems the 7mm is better suited in a long action ideally 280 Rem. If I could do it again, the Swede on one of those Sako intermediate actions would be the most perfect medium game/ deer rifle/ varminter all in one, waiting on my Swede on a LH Rem 700 action almost 2 years now, should have it next months 👍
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You have heavies, go lighties....
Seems it's hard to pass on the 6.5 Creed KNOWING that there is stellar ammo on the shelves. But then again, there's pretty good ammo for all of them. Likely the best off the rack for a 270 is 145 ELD and 150 ELD for the 7-08.
So you're back to square one....
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Imnotinto 6mm stuff as much due to my 243s which seem ‘blastier’ under 22” than even my bigger stuff. Yes, they kick less, and maybe it’s something others don’t notice, but it seems to add up as fast as recoil in other guns...to me. I hear what you're saying. Perceived recoil is just as much about the blast, as it is about the sensation at the shoulder. Own and shoot all four of the above. The 6.5 Creedmoor has noticeably less recoil and muzzle blast than the other three. It is much closer to the .243 in felt recoil than 7-08, and has less blast than the ,243 in similar length barrels.
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Deer and hogs with maybe larger... I'd go Creedmoor and not look back.
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Shoots like a 243 and hits like a 7-08? How is it even a question?? I'd so like a 20" 6.5CM. But I swore off buying rifles....really, I did. No, really. Seriously. Very seriously. Like for real.....
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Shoots like a 243 and hits like a 7-08? How is it even a question?? I'd so like a 20" 6.5CM. But I swore off buying rifles....really, I did. No, really. Seriously. Very seriously. Like for real..... Keep on and you’ll convince yourself......maybe ? ? Almost like I almost did. grin
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I have short and long-action rifles. I would go with the 7-08, or 6.5 cm, just because I like short-action rifles better. I have shot lots of deer with my .308s, but they are sitting pretty quiet, since I got my .260 and cm. I have never heard anything bad on the 7-08, but have never shot one. Some of the heaviest-recoiling rifles that I have ever shot, were .270s. I am not recoil shy, but just have never had a desire to own one.
Bottom line, pick the rifle that you like and get the caliber that you think will fit your use. No bad choice in the real world.
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Flat trajectory , reasonable recoil, 6.5. I have several 6.5's in 260 Rem, 6.5x55, 6.5-06, 264Mag .For over 120years the 6.5 in various forms has been taking every size of game on the planet.
I use mine to take large muley's & elk every season. No problem. Now with the extreme durability of the homogeneous copper bullets like the Barnes TSX the 6.5's are even better. I see that Hornady list their 6.5 CM factory load loaded with the 120gr GMX & they state it suitable for game up to 1500Lbs. In Scandinavia the 6.5x55 has been taking moose reliably since it came out at the turn of the 19th century. When you read the history of the 6.5 & it's accomplishments you get a perspective based on in the field results & not emotion. Read the exploits of W.D.M. Bell "Karamojo Bell". How he took numerous elephants & over 400 head of every size of African plains game with the diminutive 6.5MS driving a 160 gr bullet at barely 2300PFS. He averaged 1 1/2 shots per animal. That means many were taken with one shot. Read the history of the 6.5 & understand its ability. This! I have two 6.5x55's T3's for go and a Serengeti 6.5x284 for show. All regularly turn in 3 shots in one hole with their preferred loads.
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Some of the heaviest-recoiling rifles that I have ever shot, were .270s. I am not recoil shy, but just have never had a desire to own one. ? ? ? Come by the house and I'll give you a taste of RECOIL. just sayin Jerry
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When I went with a "lower" recoil GP hunting rifle the .280 Rem was an obvious choice. Among others, I already had a heavy-barrel 6.5-06AI and a .257 Roberts, a 7mm RM and a lot of options in .30 caliber. Could have gone for a .270 but already had boxes and boxes of 7mm bullets on the shelf. No regrets.
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Since I fire way more rounds from the bench than i do hunting, and try to limit hunting shots to 300 yards or so, I picked the 6.5 G. FINALLY something i can shoot off the bench for hours without gtting recoil-fatigue (with the 85 - 100 gr. bullets)), and the 123 - 130 gr. will kill deer etc. just fine out to at least as far as I wnt to shoot.
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The heavier bullet options are what has me looking hard at 708 and 270...This is more specific to deer/antelope sized stuff. Then you don't need heavy bullets.
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The 7mm-08 excites me more than any of the others. Me too.
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In order of best ammo off the shelf, I'd say:
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308 because it’s the best ever. And if you don’t agree you’re going to hell with the rest of your liberal voting democratic illegal immigrant friends.
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As has been advised: I really don’t need a 308 to kill deer, or the added bullet weight/recoil of common OTC stuff, and I have a 358....which is more efficient, anyway.....at least that’s my current argument. I do already have at least one 308, and will likely build another, on a semi platform....along with possibly a semi 6.5 upper to swap out. Which (when I can), is also an argument against (or for) the 6.5cm in my next hunting bolt gun....if that all makes sense?
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As has been advised: I really don’t need a 308 to kill deer, My first hunting rifle at age 17 was a Remington 700 in 308. After two or three seasons I departed from the 308 & tinkered with many other chamberings since then & have recently returned to my teenage love of the 308 WInchester. I have purchased 5 of them in the last 8 months. Can hardly wait to go hunt with them.
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Deer and hogs with maybe larger... I'd go Creedmoor and not look back. Yep, with the 7mm-08 in a close second place. Either one is a great pick, and I'd go with a standard sporter I liked and cut it to 21" or so. I prefer that to a pencil-contour. Five of my main deer rifles have been to the smith over the years for chop/crown at 20-22", depending on the chambering. Most started at 24".
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....if that all makes sense?
HH it ONLY has to make sense to you ! ! Jerry
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I’ve got a Tikka T3 Lite SS in .270 and have been using 150 Partitions for everything. Only changes I’ve made to the gun are lightening the trigger and swapping out the recoil pad for a Limbsaver. Mounted a 2.5-10x42 Monarch and was good to go. The gun is very accurate, light- but not too light, weather resistant, has fairly mild recoil, and has been flawless with regards to reliability. Other than the big bears or African DG, I can’t think of anything I’d hunt that couldn’t be handled well with this combo. Deer, Hogs, Elk, Moose, Antelope, Plains Game, Black Bear- the 150 NP should handle it all. I’ve got a bunch of other rifles, some equally versatile, but can think of none better as an all-rounder that a well set up .270. That would be my vote.
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Maybe one of the elders knows, but I think JOC was a fan of 150 NP as all-arounders....
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.....I think JOC was a fan of 150 NP as all-arounders.... In a .280
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Ain't 2 schits 💩💩 of difference between them anyway...
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Mostly deer and hogs. I hope to throw in different and bigger stuff, and plan on some visits to more rangy places, [/b]where I might stretch past 300, if needed[b]. At the moment, leaning more 270 or 708 vs 6.5 AS most of us concur, ANY of the 3 cartridges you list will do a good job. Just a little trivia. In a Tikka the action length is the SAME. The 270 W has a longer chamber - = more metal removed/larger hole in action. ? maybe less weight ? .277 The 7-08 has a larger bore for the barrel length = larger & longer hole. ? maybe less weight ? .284 The Creed has the smaller CHAMBER & smaller BORE. ? maybe MORE weight than the others ? .264 AGAIN it boils down to minutia. IFn it was me -- I'd pick the rifle and CLOSE MY EYES and choose the cartridge, well I'd choose between the 2 larger bores. (just me) Good Luck Jerry
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Jerry, you know you want a 6.5 Creed as bad as I do....
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Jerry, you know you want a 6.5 Creed as bad as I do.... Well IF you want one AS bad as I do, You WILL NOT be getting one.  Jerry
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Mostly deer and hogs. I hope to throw in different and bigger stuff, and plan on some visits to more rangy places, [/b]where I might stretch past 300, if needed[b]. At the moment, leaning more 270 or 708 vs 6.5 AS most of us concur, ANY of the 3 cartridges you list will do a good job. Just a little trivia. In a Tikka the action length is the SAME. The 270 W has a longer chamber - = more metal removed/larger hole in action. ? maybe less weight ? .277 The 7-08 has a larger bore for the barrel length = larger & longer hole. ? maybe less weight ? .284 The Creed has the smaller CHAMBER & smaller BORE. ? maybe MORE weight than the others ? .264 AGAIN it boils down to minutia. IFn it was me -- I'd pick the rifle and CLOSE MY EYES and choose the cartridge, well I'd choose between the 2 larger bores. (just me) Good Luck Jerry One other point: Again, in a Tikka, the 6.5CM has a 24.3" barrel, and the 270 and 7-08 have a 22.4" barrel. Both of these lengths are working from memory, so may be .1" +/-
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Jerry, you know you want a 6.5 Creed as bad as I do.... Well IF you want one AS bad as I do, You WILL NOT be getting one. Jerry I bet you cave before I do. Ha!!!😆
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Oh, and as for barrel length on the Tikkamoor, that sucker gets chopped and the stock tripped for an old skool T3. Or a CTR in a T3. But ain't doing neither....
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Typical window licker.
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Jerry, you know you want a 6.5 Creed as bad as I do.... Well IF you want one AS bad as I do, You WILL NOT be getting one. I bet you cave before I do. Ha!!!😆 I'll put $ 500.00 on that ! ! ONCE during H School, I came home and Mom had made a fresh Pecan Pie. I ate 2 (two) normal pieces. I got SO SICK I can't describe it. Literally, It was OVER 20 years before I TASTED another Pecan Pie. >>>> creedxxxx. Jerry
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![[Linked Image]](https://i.imgur.com/diQxtDr.jpg) I think his name is Gilbert. Jerry
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I like me some pecan pie.....
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.243, .257, 6.5 Whatever...
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7-08 - all the others will also work, but since you asked.....
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I bet you cave before I do. Ha!!!😆
Let me give you something to ponder: Since I am buying ANOTHER 7 mm RM........ how likely do you think it is I'll cave ANYTIME soon? GRIN Jerry
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I have short and long-action rifles. I would go with the 7-08, or 6.5 cm, just because I like short-action rifles better. I have shot lots of deer with my .308s, but they are sitting pretty quiet, since I got my .260 and cm. I have never heard anything bad on the 7-08, but have never shot one. Some of the heaviest-recoiling rifles that I have ever shot, were .270s. I am not recoil shy, but just have never had a desire to own one.
Bottom line, pick the rifle that you like and get the caliber that you think will fit your use. No bad choice in the real world. If you consider the .270 Winchester a heavy kicking cartridge, then it seems you are indeed recoil shy. It’s a great package in a fairly light rifle, with full power factory loads available and bullets suitable for anything in North America (the 160 grain Nosler Partition is a hammer) and a flat trajectory suitable for antelope in the plains. It would get my vote, hands down.
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I bet you cave before I do. Ha!!!😆
Let me give you something to ponder: Since I am buying ANOTHER 7 mm RM........ how likely do you think it is I'll cave ANYTIME soon? GRIN Jerry T1x is going to be the deal.
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Are you into rim jobs or something?
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I have several calibers and haven't noticed that if I do my part that one kills more DEAD than the others but I do have one rifle that fits me well, has a nice slender stock and will flat out shoot and it's a 280 Remington CDL. When I hunt fields I carry it topped with a Leupold Boone & Crockett reticle that is spot on out to 500 yds.
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I have had .270's since 1967. I could not be without one of these, although I do like other chamberings if it had to be just one it would have to be a .270 Win. I almost feel that way about 7RM, 300 WSM
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Why would any self respecting rifle slut have only one of each of the afore-mentioned?
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.270 Winchester,130 grain Nosler Partitions,60 grains H-4831,CCI 250 Mag primer. Dead critters of all shapes and sizes.
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Never saw that coming about a window licker. Are you into rim jobs or something? It was worth the effort. Jerry
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I have had .270's since 1967. I could not be without one of these, although I do like other chamberings if it had to be just one it would have to be a .270 Win. I almost feel that way about 7RM, 300 WSM Same here, EXCEPT 300 Win Mag. Jerry
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43 gr powder vs 60 gr? Not even close. Both are great cartridges, but less powder, blast, recoil is hard to argue with.
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The picture jackass. Just a better ‘explanation’ than I figured to get around here. LOL
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Interesting thread, reminds me of JOC in the 70s in Sports Afield.....all the mental m....
JPro - had a 700 BDL SS long ago, had it chopped from 24 to 21, and another 700V the same. Both shot 2960 with 45/Varget....
I see JOC fans using 130s or 150s, ran several JOC in the past, 150 NBT always looked like an ICBM and did great, tighter groups....the NPT 150 is a killer as well.
I've since looked at the 140 AB in the JOC, like the 7-OUGHT 8, as a great choice. Always felt why handicap BC/SD with a 130 like a 210 vs 225 in 338.
No doubt to 400 it's moot. Anyone running 140s in the JOC? To the 6.5G shooter, look at the 100 TTSX, and 100/120 NBTs.
My longest WT deer was a mere 400 LRF/YD. 6BR/105/2850.........golf ball exit, struggled to go 20 yds. SO.......all the math........most are often overgunned on deer/hogs, and the like, if you can be that..........and when it comes to blast and recoil, I think you can have too much.
Enjoy your flavors fellow hunters. The Journey searching and researching is the fun. Then when you put meat in the crosshairs, its just a formality. All rounds work.
FWIW, my research went like this, 7RM, 243, 7/08, 270, 6.5x55, 6.5-308, 6BR, 260, 7BR, 338-06, 357, 6.5x47, 6.5 CM.............well you get the point. Btw, several of each of those in the past, NEVER lost an animal fairly hit. Always changed scopes, bullets, etc. to learn more......and they all simply worked, when I had them dialed in, knew the limits of the bullets - and placed them accordingly. Whatever you run, learn it, practice like you intend to hunt it, all will be fine.
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43 gr powder vs 60 gr? Not even close. Both are great cartridges, but less powder, blast, recoil is hard to argue with. 2800 fps or 3100 fps,I'd would go with 3100 fps.
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I have short and long-action rifles. I would go with the 7-08, or 6.5 cm, just because I like short-action rifles better. I have shot lots of deer with my .308s, but they are sitting pretty quiet, since I got my .260 and cm. I have never heard anything bad on the 7-08, but have never shot one. Some of the heaviest-recoiling rifles that I have ever shot, were .270s. I am not recoil shy, but just have never had a desire to own one.
Bottom line, pick the rifle that you like and get the caliber that you think will fit your use. No bad choice in the real world. If you consider the .270 Winchester a heavy kicking cartridge, then it seems you are indeed recoil shy. It’s a great package in a fairly light rifle, with full power factory loads available and bullets suitable for anything in North America (the 160 grain Nosler Partition is a hammer) and a flat trajectory suitable for antelope in the plains. It would get my vote, hands down. I am far from recoil shy. I have seen some real hard kickers in .270 and only stated that for someone looking to buy a .270 for the first time. I just stated the facts as I see them. I would not own a .270 anyway, as my 7 mags more than cover what that cartridge will do.
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43 gr powder vs 60 gr? Not even close. Both are great cartridges, but less powder, blast, recoil is hard to argue with. 2800 fps or 3100 fps,I'd would go with 3100 fps. I can certainly understand that - more power to ya brother (pun intended).
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I have short and long-action rifles. I would go with the 7-08, or 6.5 cm, just because I like short-action rifles better. I have shot lots of deer with my .308s, but they are sitting pretty quiet, since I got my .260 and cm. I have never heard anything bad on the 7-08, but have never shot one. Some of the heaviest-recoiling rifles that I have ever shot, were .270s. I am not recoil shy, but just have never had a desire to own one.
Bottom line, pick the rifle that you like and get the caliber that you think will fit your use. No bad choice in the real world. If you consider the .270 Winchester a heavy kicking cartridge, then it seems you are indeed recoil shy. It’s a great package in a fairly light rifle, with full power factory loads available and bullets suitable for anything in North America (the 160 grain Nosler Partition is a hammer) and a flat trajectory suitable for antelope in the plains. It would get my vote, hands down. I am far from recoil shy. I have seen some real hard kickers in .270 and only stated that for someone looking to buy a .270 for the first time. I just stated the facts as I see them. I would not own a .270 anyway, as my 7 mags more than cover what that cartridge will do. Well, I would not own a 7mm Rem Mag as my .270s have their niche covered very well and are lighter to boot. And they kick a bit less. I’ve yet to see what I considered a heavy recoiling .270 (but I’ve only owned eight, starting with my first in 1975). And I’ve owned and shot a bunch of rifles that kicked a lot, and nary a .270 was in that bunch.
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Well, I would not own a 7mm Rem Mag as my .270s have their niche covered very well and are lighter to boot. And they kick a bit less. I’ve yet to see what I considered a heavy recoiling .270 (but I’ve only owned eight, starting with my first in 1975). And I’ve owned and shot a bunch of rifles that kicked a lot, and nary a .270 was in that bunch.
I mostly AGREE with your post. I have one 7 RM that is lighter than 'some' 270s, and I'm waiting on a Tikka T 3 Lite SS 7 RM to get here. I know you said, " my 270s.....lighter". AFter I got my T 3 Lite SS 270 -- I thot -- it kicked as hard as my 7>>>>NOPE. I shot both the same day back to back. I can't count the # of 270s I've had & shot that others owned. NONE were heavy kickers. Jerry
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43 gr powder vs 60 gr? Not even close. Both are great cartridges, but less powder, blast, recoil is hard to argue with. 2800 fps or 3100 fps,I'd would go with 3100 fps. I can certainly understand that - more power to ya brother (pun intended). Thanks!
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Well, I would not own a 7mm Rem Mag as my .270s have their niche covered very well and are lighter to boot. And they kick a bit less. I’ve yet to see what I considered a heavy recoiling .270 (but I’ve only owned eight, starting with my first in 1975). And I’ve owned and shot a bunch of rifles that kicked a lot, and nary a .270 was in that bunch.
I mostly AGREE with your post. I have one 7 RM that is lighter than 'some' 270s, and I'm waiting on a Tikka T 3 Lite SS 7 RM to get here. I know you said, " my 270s.....lighter". AFter I got my T 3 Lite SS 270 -- I thot -- it kicked as hard as my 7>>>>NOPE. I shot both the same day back to back. I can't count the # of 270s I've had & shot that others owned. NONE were heavy kickers. Jerry But they were still .270s! 
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Is there a verdict yet?
I'd take a .270 for a stalking type mountain rifle if I were a sheep or goat hunter and wanted the flattest possible trajectory for quick shots that I might not know the exact distance on.
The .308 with 168 TSX's in closer quarters for defense against being ate by a bear or stomped by a moose.
If I was more inclined to be hunting the larger species of big game, which I'm not, then I'd pick a 30-06. And for a secondary rifle(to the Swede or Creed or 243) that I might use on occasion if I was after a giant wild boar I might choose the 30-06, or a 45-70.
The 7-08 for a general purpose medium game rifle.
And the 6.5 Creedmoor if I wanted to spend a lot of time shooting just for fun, but still have an effective medium game rifle. For just one rifle that would get lots of range use, and double as my main hunting rifle, with a good selection of affordable and readily available factory ammo, I think this is hard to beat. But I have a pipsqueak 243 instead, which due to it's higher speed is a little on the loud side and I'd probably rather have a little more recoil and a little less blast.
Now if I wanted to reload a bunch, and have the capability for a little more velocity, and didn't mind possibly a bit heavier and longer gun to get it, then I'd rather have the 6.5x55.
But I'd probably want something a little classy for the Swede like a Sako Bavarian..... or on the slighty cheaper side, a CZ 550 FS even though I believe the Creedmoors more efficient case design makes it a better match for a 20.5" barreled rifle like this.
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I have had .270's since 1967. I could not be without one of these, although I do like other chamberings if it had to be just one it would have to be a .270 Win. I almost feel that way about 7RM, 300 WSM Same here, EXCEPT 300 Win Mag. Jerry There is something really fun about those .300 mags especially like them in Alberta looking down long pipeline cuts through the heavy forest. But I'm in love with the .270 giving a little pop on the shoulder and meat in the freezer, it's a true classic and probably always will be.
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43 gr powder vs 60 gr? Not even close. Both are great cartridges, but less powder, blast, recoil is hard to argue with. If you loaded the 270 down to the 2800 fps level you would notice a reduction in pressure, blast and recoil. Less is however not more.
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270 or 308 for me-tough to narrow it down to just one. Like old Elmer always said`` 270 makes a good groundhog gun". LOL
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Works for me!, 7mm08 is a great little round.
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43 gr powder vs 60 gr? Not even close. Both are great cartridges, but less powder, blast, recoil is hard to argue with. If you loaded the 270 down to the 2800 fps level you would notice a reduction in pressure, blast and recoil. Less is however not more. LESS is NOT more. On P 15 you'll find the 'other' HALF of the FIRST quote here. Elks said, "2800 fps or 3100 fps" 3100 fps is MORE------2800 fps is LESS, and well......less is.....less. Jerry
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43 gr powder vs 60 gr? Not even close. Both are great cartridges, but less powder, blast, recoil is hard to argue with. If you loaded the 270 down to the 2800 fps level you would notice a reduction in pressure, blast and recoil. Less is however not more. I loaded down the .270 to 2,650 FPS using H-380 and the Hornady 150 gr interlock for a woods load, killed deer just fine It became my favorite load.
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I have a savage 7mm-08 wood stock (heavier rifle) and a savage 16 308 with a syn stock. The 308 is far lighter in recoil. Don't ask me why but the 7mm-08 sucks to shoot. I would say 308 just because its a do all round. Pretty much hunt anything with it with ammo available anywhere at a decent price. You will pay about $10 more per box using 7mm-08
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I prefer classic.
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Heck, I could probably roll a 257/25-06, too....yeah, they don’t have as many good bullets, especially high BC stuff, but all I’ll do past 5-600 would be playing and training, anyway. Any critter I’d shoot would likely be under 400. I used to love the 25-06, but haven’t had one in years.
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Where I live, south of Fort Worth factory ammo for the 7-08 and especially the 280 is not as common as some here would have you believe. The internet offers a lot of options but if off the shelf ammo is needed for some reason you would have to look around to get it. The 6.5 Creed, 308 and 270 are pretty common on most shelves and even Walmart carries Creed ammo.
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There’s that.
Picking a rifle firstest, Tikka, Kimber, W70, Barrett, Nosler, Sako....or whatever, and why? I don’t need a featherweight, as I doubt I’m gonna backpack hunt in the Rockies much. However, I can tend to cover some ground in some nasty hills on occasion, and heavy is out. More fun to shoot would be a higher priority than being under 6# all up. Ideas there appreciated.
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After 30 years of killing all kinds of stuff from grouse to moose with same old howa 1500 30-06, I just picked a Tikka t3 ss in 7mm-08. For deer/elk combo under 500 yds I couldn’t see needing anymore gun. I’m going to try some eld x in 150 or 162 grain as soon as the scope arrives.
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Damn, the 7 08 is popular. Im glass bedding mine right now. Seems to be a good little round..
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When I let the ideas run away...I’m thinking along the 7-08 and up to 162s in a Tikka or other LA, as well. The other thought is a 270 with slick heavies, but twist becomes an issue. It’s not that I need the beyond 500, but it’s there. I like the concept of efficiency and not having to milk every FPS out of something, and still have a bullet that’ll work short or long. Might be hard to overlook s 280 for the same reasons.
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Damn, the 7 08 is popular. Im glass bedding mine right now. Seems to be a good little round.. Sure it is ! There is a 7-08 IN every 270 W. Jerry
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And a 270 in every 280
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The 30-06 based cartridges are overkill for the vast majority of NA big game hunters. Yes they work, very well, but the 308 based cartridges also work, just as well, for almost any type of hunting most of us will ever do. I like simple and efficient.
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They all work fine in the field. 308 Win is by far most versatile with ability to tailor 125 grain loads at 3,300 fps through 200 grain loads at 2,450 fps. That’ versatility is hard to beat in the field.
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And a 270 in every 280 Now hold on here just a doggone minute !!  You’re not suppose to say that ! Jerry
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Damn, the 7 08 is popular. Im glass bedding mine right now. Seems to be a good little round.. I got a T3X Compact Lite for my daughter in 7-08. So far using H4895 with 120 BTs at 2550 for reduced recoil it is very accurate. Can’t wait to try some full speed stuff. Looking forward to seeing how yours works.
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6.5 creed for what your describing.
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The 30-06 based cartridges are overkill for the vast majority of NA big game hunters. Yes they work, very well, but the 308 based cartridges also work, just as well, for almost any type of hunting most of us will ever do. I like simple and efficient. The problem with your statement is summarized in the phases "the vast majority" and "most of us". If I had to choose one keeper between any .308 (I have two) and a .30-06 (I have four) or my .300WM, I'd take the .30-06 or .300WM in a heartbeat. Do .308's work "most of the time"? Yes, and i've often written that most every animal I've taken could have been taken equally well with a .308. At the same time I have multiple elk kills in the 400-500 yard range where a .308 would "probably" work. For those I'm glad I had something "more". In a real-world example, we load a 150g BT for my daughter's 22" .308 Win and my 22" .30-06 rifles. Velocities are 2765fps for the .308 Win and 2975 for the .30-06. At 8000 feet above sea level, that gives the .30-06 a 125 yard advantage in retained velocity and energy. At 400 yards the .30-06 has 18% more energy than the .308, with 4" less drop. The difference is not as great as when comparing a .308 to a .300 WM but it isn't insignificant, either. Consider what the .308 load above can do (retained energy and velocity) at 'x' yards, The .30-06 load will have the same velocity and energy at 'x' + 125 yards. I frequently hunt in open sage country where shots can literally be in any direction. For sake of argument, assume the effective range of the .308 is considered to be 400 yards based on retained energy and velocity for the 150g BT. The .30-06 will have the same retained velocity and energy at 525 yards. In terms of the area that could be covered with each, the .30-06 adds over 72% to what the .308 is capable of doing. Note that this 72% advantage holds true for a full circle or any segment thereof.
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Coyote,
I would respectfully disagree that there is a 210 fps MV difference between those two cartridges when loaded to similar pressures with 150 gr bullets. Your 308 win, 150 gr BT load at 2765 fps is an anemic load for that cartridge. I've loaded for many years for a 308 win with a 23" barrel and could safely and easily obtain velocities over 2900 fps using 150 gr bullets with a variety of powders. Hodgdon, Alliant, Nosler, Barnes all have listed velocities that exceed your handloaded 30-06 velocity. Just speaking with the facts.
I'm not disputing the 30-06 when loaded warm can beat the 308 when loaded warm. But the 308 when loaded warm is equal to factory 30-06 loads easily, and is all the "vast majority" of hunters will ever practically need. If you feel you need more, I fully understand why you feel that way. But I don't believe your facts as presented are valid to support your argument.
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ps - and good on you for getting your daughter into the woods and into humting.
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6.5x55 or a 30/06 and a 8x57, either one will do what you need done
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It only matters as much as you think it does. Ain't it the truth! I've had few .308s, and a few .270s. I have kept one .270 and got rid of everything else except a .30/30 and my rat rifles and rimfires. I like my .270, and it kills everything I point it at (so far) with no muss or fuss. I guess I could use factory ammo if I wanted to, but I've got a lot of ammo already loaded, and would probably never have to load for it again. I like the cartridge about as much as I'd like a .30/06, which is heaps and heaps. If it were me, I'd have a friendly gun counter guy line up a bunch of the rifles I was interested in, and close my eyes, and pick the one that felt best to me, regardless of the chambering. The overlap of your choices assures you that any of them will work just fine.
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