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Originally Posted by SKane
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Hmmm, I have a .22-250 and a .243. Funny thing is, my .22-250 can't fling a 55 grain bullet 4000+ fps....
But my .243 can.... My .243 can also fling a 100 grain bullet 3000+ fps... But my .22-250 can't...



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A 243 with a 55 grain BT will smoke a 22- 250.


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Yep, same here. Used them all at one time or another. Ditched the 22 centerfires and 17s in favor of the 243. From there, I skip the 25 and 6.5 and use the 7mm. Then its 300 mag. The 243, 280AI, 300 mag has been a great combination.

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Originally Posted by SKane
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That's why from .243, I'd skip right over the .257 cal - unless of course, there's 70+ grains of powder behind the bullet. I've read speed kills. whistle


Back in my youth while in school in Ohio I was asked to sight in a friends 700 BDL in 25-06. He brought me the rifle and said the 25-06 kills so far out you have to "Put salt on the bullet so the meat doesn't spoil before you get to the deer". I always remembered that statement and being a young gullible kid I considered the statement Gospel. I do own a 25-06....mo' better with 100 gr bullets than a .243.....and yes speed kills.

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Guys, DON'T talk him out of it.

There'll be more 6mm bullets & 243 brass available. aka Less competition whistle
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Originally Posted by jwall
Guys, DON'T talk him out of it.

There'll be more 6mm bullets & 243 brass available. aka Less competition whistle
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I've got a few .243's and for the life of me cannot figure out what I like them for. I never hunt with them because we have some big bears in our area. But on the other hand I hunt with a 22-250 and think nothing of it.

Hmmm, I just decided I'm either biased or crazy, but I honestly have no use for a .243.


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I sold my .243’s, never plan to own another.. But the .257 Roberts was the most disappointing caliber I have ever owned.. Had it for 6 months and sold it... Hope to never have another!!


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Originally Posted by Steelhead
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Well how important is 4000fps with a 55 gr. Bullet? What kind of barrel life does that get you. For the varminting I do a 60 gr. bullet at 3400 fps works great, that being coyotes and prairie dogs. And I like a 115-120 gr. bullet at 3000 fps plus better than a skinnier bullet that weighs 100 grains any day. I just don't need a compromise rifle.



Companies make new barrels every day, which apparently you aren't aware of.


That's funny right there, where do you think I got the 22-250 barrel? Why compromise when you can have 2 guns?


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Originally Posted by doctor_Encore
Our own "Mule Deer'" posted several months back many Montana hunters were trading in their .243's for the new 6.5 Creedmoor. I am sure JB is wired into the area gun shops to know local trends in caliber changes among the average gun buyer.


Which is exactly what the Creed is, the perfect replacement for the 243.


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Originally Posted by montanabadger
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Originally Posted by Blackheart
Hmmm, I have a .22-250 and a .243. Funny thing is, my .22-250 can't fling a 55 grain bullet 4000+ fps....
But my .243 can.... My .243 can also fling a 100 grain bullet 3000+ fps... But my .22-250 can't...



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A 243 with a 55 grain BT will smoke a 22- 250.


And sell barrels too. Really though just how much coyote hunting requires 4000 fps?


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Originally Posted by WyoCoyoteHunter
I sold my .243’s, never plan to own another.. But the .257 Roberts was the most disappointing caliber I have ever owned.. Had it for 6 months and sold it... Hope to never have another!!


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Enjoy your BOB. Great cartridge that will do about anything you really need to do with a rifle.

But know this. The Roberts cartridge was obsolete and not chambered in any factory rifle for multiple decades after the .243 completely supplanted it. The Roberts was even dropped from most loading manuals during those decades. Bill Ruger brought the .257 back to life in the early 1980s IIRC. He did stuff like that. He also resurrected the single shot rifle.

Seems that Ruger had an awareness of mojo that drove him.


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It is odd how advertising can get a so so cartridge to supplant a much better one. The Bob was chambered in a too short action and pressures kept to 45000 psi which cut performance way down. I like the 722 but wouldn't build a Roberts on it.


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I doubt that Townsend Whelen was overly influenced by advertising. Even he admitted that the .243 was good for any task suitable for the Roberts. And that covers a lot of ground.


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Originally Posted by rickt300
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Our own "Mule Deer'" posted several months back many Montana hunters were trading in their .243's for the new 6.5 Creedmoor. I am sure JB is wired into the area gun shops to know local trends in caliber changes among the average gun buyer.


Which is exactly what the Creed is, the perfect replacement for the 243.



I AGREE....replaces the .243, 250 Savage and the 257 Bob.

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Originally Posted by doctor_Encore
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Our own "Mule Deer'" posted several months back many Montana hunters were trading in their .243's for the new 6.5 Creedmoor. I am sure JB is wired into the area gun shops to know local trends in caliber changes among the average gun buyer.


Which is exactly what the Creed is, the perfect replacement for the 243.



I AGREE....replaces the .243, 250 Savage and the 257 Bob.
Except the Creed won't shoot a 55 gr bullet 4000 fps... Got a Creed myself. Something new to play with but beyond that don't know that I've got much use for it. After all, I've already got a .243..... And a .308.

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Its sure wild to read how we all can think

I have a 257 wtby and I'm basically so un impressed with it that it mostly stays in the vault now. Am sorely tempted to pull out a 243 again though, but the wife and I have been shooting the 308 so much and its kinda rare for us to have a shot over about 350ish or so. And if we do its zero'd out to 725 anyway...

I've killed so many with the 243 over the years, and fair distances, like to about 500ish it just never did us wrong.

Can't see that same weight bullet more or less but 500 fps faster really makes that much difference in the end. As I"ve noted on other threads.. a bullet in the right place regardless of caliber almost always kills. And the times it doesn't, it doesn't matter much what bullet or caliber. And if you need em to die where you can see em without looking for them then the ONLY way is CNS.


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I'm with you, rost495, a .224" 55 grain bullet traveling at 3,800 fps or a .243" 55 grain bullet speeding at 4,000+ fps with both wreck whatever the intended target is. I like the 243 Win but I also like the 22-250 Rem for its intended purposes. Modern bullet construction and offerings have changed the game mightily in the smaller calibers and given them the ability to kill bigger than they are.

A 22-250 with a 62 grain TTSX is a pretty devastating killing bullet.

A 243 with a 100 grain partition is the same.


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Originally Posted by rickt300
It is odd how advertising can get a so so cartridge to supplant a much better one. The Bob was chambered in a too short action and pressures kept to 45000 psi which cut performance way down. I like the 722 but wouldn't build a Roberts on it.


I've probably owned close to a dozen 722s in 257 Roberts, still have one, and can't see a reason not to load it to its full potential. Since I only shoot varmints and medium game with my rifles chambered in 257 Roberts, the bullets that I load for them are all in the 75 thru 110 grain range, with the majority being 75, 87, and 90 grain varmint bullets and 100 and 110 grain medium game bullets. None of the bullets that I use are negatively impacted by using them in a short action or have positively benefited from using them in a long action.

I would agree that the 57mm/2.244" case length limits bullet weight/length options in the short, 2.84", action Remington magazine boxes. OTOH, I can't think of a .257" bullet better suited to shooting medium game with a 257 Roberts than the 100 grain Partition or 110 grain AB, both of which work flawlessly through the 2.84" magazines.

I currently have 10 rifles chambered in 257 Roberts, 3 long actions and 7 short actions. The long actions are a Mexican Mauser, a Swedish Mauser, and a Ruger 77. The short actions are a Marlin XS7, 3 Remington 700s, a Remington 722, a Ruger 77, and a Savage 11. My current favorites are a long action Ruger 77 RSI and a short action Remington 700 CDL-SF.

EDIT: The most frustrating 257 Roberts that I've owned was a sporterized 1936 style Mexican Mauser. It had a 1-12" ROT Flaig's barrel and would only shoot good groups with bullets in the 75 thru 87 grain range. It wouldn't shoot good groups with the normally reliable 90 grain Sierra BTHP, but would routinely go MOA or better with whatever 87 grain Hornady or Speer bullet I loaded in it ahead of 42 grains of IMR-3031. As picky as it was, you'd think that it was of the female gender. So I rebarreled it in 243.

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