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An 18" Marlin 357 is near purfect to carry around....this is a '79 The 24" Cowboy in 357 is gonna be heavy in comparison... Even a 20" CB is heavy........
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I would go m92 in either .45 or .357, depending on how heavy I was needing to throw.
Honestly though, a rifle/carbine in .357 with full power 180 grains loads is right on the heels of a 30-30.
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Honestly though, a rifle/carbine in .357 with full power 180 grains loads is right on the heels of a 30-30.
Actually it's not very close at all. About the best you're going to get out of a .357 with 158's is still 400- 500 fps shy of what you can get with a 150 or 160 out of a .30-30 and the .30 cal bullets have a considerable BC advantage so the gap only widens downrange. The story is pretty much the same with 180's out of the .357 vs. 170's out of a .30-30. I've had both, handloaded for both and taken considerable game with both. The .357 is a versatile little cartridge out of a carbine but it ain't no .30-30.
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yea but..........
where the 357 is gonna be used..........
short range crab apple thickets on the east coast...... 50 yards............one dead deer........or pig if you desire......
a 6 # Marlin would be the catt's azz...........
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yea but..........
where the 357 is gonna be used..........
short range crab apple thickets on the east coast...... 50 yards............one dead deer........or pig if you desire......
a 6 # Marlin would be the catt's azz...........
Yeah, that'll work but a Win. 94 .30-30 weighs the same and carries just as well but will reach out and clobber one 200+ yards across a field just as easily.
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i have both of them. my 357mg load with 158gr xtp hp with lit gun powder shoots about 1 1/2 inc higher at 200 yards then a 150 gr speer hot core with varget powder in my 3030 when sighed in at 100yards. with both a round 2250/2275 fps with my guns. 3030 marlin made in the 50s to my marlin 357 made in 90s
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i have both of them. my 357mg load with 158gr xtp hp with lit gun powder shoots about 1 1/2 inc higher at 200 yards then a 150 gr speer hot core with varget powder in my 3030 when sighed in at 100yards. with both a round 2250/2275 fps with my guns. 3030 marlin made in the 50s to my marlin 357 made in 90s How much lil gun you stuffing in there ? 18 grains {Hodgdon's current listed max.} clocked just under 1900 fps. with 158's out of my 1894c. Even if you do get the velocity stated it is simply not possible for the 158 XTP with a BC of .206 to shoot flatter than the 150 Speer with a BC of .255 when launched at the same velocity. There are also powders that will goose the velocity 150-200 fps higher than what you're getting out of your .30-30 with varget.
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yea but..........
where the 357 is gonna be used..........
short range crab apple thickets on the east coast...... 50 yards............one dead deer........or pig if you desire......
a 6 # Marlin would be the catt's azz...........
This is my thinking. Small predators to 100 yards. Deer and hogs to 50. The 92 has the advantage in weight. But I don't mind a small receiver mounted scope at all. And the 1894c is basically a more powerful twin to my 39m.
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yea but..........
where the 357 is gonna be used..........
short range crab apple thickets on the east coast...... 50 yards............one dead deer........or pig if you desire......
a 6 # Marlin would be the catt's azz...........
Yeah, that'll work but a Win. 94 .30-30 weighs the same and carries just as well but will reach out and clobber one 200+ yards across a field just as easily. This is true also. And in an AE model with a 1-4 scope I might actually find 200 yards useful on occasion. The 357 still wins the fun factor as a plinker and occasional target shooter. And those 1894C's are too sweet.
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yea but..........
where the 357 is gonna be used..........
short range crab apple thickets on the east coast...... 50 yards............one dead deer........or pig if you desire......
a 6 # Marlin would be the catt's azz...........
Yeah, that'll work but a Win. 94 .30-30 weighs the same and carries just as well but will reach out and clobber one 200+ yards across a field just as easily. This is true also. And in an AE model with a 1-4 scope I might actually find 200 yards useful on occasion. The 357 still wins the fun factor as a plinker and occasional target shooter. And those 1894C's are too sweet. yep......especially the older ones..........
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my badd.........I believe the 'CS' is the 'Carbine safety'
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black heart 18gr litgun in 357 32.5grvarget in 3030 .shot over a buds croney .both guns have the same scope 1/5 to 4/5 bushnell . shot at a 8inc steel plate.we were kind of suprised it happend. we both shot them a lot. was suprised that the 357 shot that flat at 200yards i like the varget load in my 30/30 it is the most constent. shot in fla at just about sea level with 90*temps
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Kinda like my 1964 36g in .30-30 Now I find myself having marlinitis Wanna get a .35 or .444 half tube presafety to be its big brother
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If you will reload, I'd consider a 35 Rem. I've got 3 Marlin 336 in 30-30, 35 and 356 and also a Browning BLR in 308. For a short range hog, deer and plinker the 35 would be a pretty good choice. Can load it down to 357 mag or load it up to the 220 Speer and shoot nearly anything if you keep the ranges close enough.
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my badd.........I believe the 'CS' is the 'Carbine safety'
I meant C's as in plural. I don't need no stinking safety. But I'd take one if the price was right. And yes Tikkanut, your old Marlin looks just right. I like Fireball2's also, with the little 2.5x20 scope. renegade50's 36g looks sweet too. I've thought about a Glenfield 30A, so I wouldn't feel bad about putting a plastic stock on it to lighten it up, or 30TK as is. But those half tube rifles aren't so common around here. The 444 is a great cartridge, as is the 35. But if I'm getting away from what I know and have ammo for, 30-30 and 357, then it would be a 45. Or a 45-70 if I want an artillery round. Also, if I reload a 30-30 then I can reload 223 with the same powder.
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'CS' is I'm sure post '83......'C' prior
thats when they put the silly azz X/bolt safety on
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Mine is my Browning M71 Carbine though I do enjoy a '59 M94 30-30 and my recently acquired '70's M336 35 Rem. That is a well rounded lever arsenal.
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Love my lever guns. I've had them in 22, 357mag, 44 Mag, 45 Colt, 30-30, 35 Remington, and 45-70.
WIsh I Hadn't sold the 45 Colt, have multiples of a couple. But I wouldn't miss an opportunity on a B-92 in 357 mag or 44 mag. Nice rifles as well.
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One area a 45 lc will give the 30-30 a run is if you want really deep penetration on flesh and bone. If you reload, you can launch some really heavy cast bullets (approx. 345-350) grains out of a Model 92 at some hearty velocities. 30-30 your pretty much maxed out at 200 grains. For short range thump I would take a heavy loaded 45 LC, Model 92 over anything a 30-30 can push. .
You can't go wrong with any of your (3) choices.
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