Home Forums Birds & Dogs Shotguns Looking for 410 over & under suggestions and anything out there for sale ?

Hi everyone ,little bit of a story involved so bear with me a good friend of mine recently had to give up long gun hunting do to a placement of a pacemaker and a port for dialysis so he's selling of his collection and one thing that caught my eye was a little 410 over and under with 28" barrels ,handled like a dream made by Kahn ,never heard of them before but liked the gun I hesitated and another one of his friends snatched it up,so now the bug has been planted and the search has begun ,I've handled a few that felt like boat anchors , I saw a Franchi looked gorgeous HEAVY and didn't handle well at all ....ATI handled well with choke tubes no less ,never saw that in a 410 before ,so is Kahn still manufactured ? And any input about the ATI , how well built reliability etc ?
Any other suggestions ? Anyone have one they'd like to sell ? ,something I'd pass down to my grand daughter one day
Not related to what I'm looking for but he had a Stoger side x side 410 ,HEAVY LIKE A ROCK a heavy rock ,any input appreciated

What’s your budget? I have no input as to make, but really the sky is the limit as to what’s possible up spend. $500? $1000 $20000?

I'd like to stay in the $500 range I saw the ATI combos 410/28 gauge for under $700 which I thought was good but are they on a larger frame ? Straight 410 with choke tubes and single selective trigger around $500 +/-

For $500 the offerings in a 410 O/U are going to generally be on larger frame guns and will feel cumbersome. Guns like the baby frame Beretta Silver Pigeon I in 28 or 410 can be bad in the $1500-2000 price range and feel like a wand. They also are nearly indestructible and can be repaired domestically should they ever fail.

The Kahn that my friend had as well as the ATI where a dream to handle

A $400 O/U is not likely to be of heirloom quality as are the rest of the Turkish made shotguns. Their low cost is the result of more than just the price of labor. They are no different than any other "price point" items in that they are meant to be disposable rather than repairable. One hundred years ago, Cresent Arms made shotguns for anyone that wanted to put their name on a shotgun; a few have lasted to this day but they are not priced very high, even for those very few in great shape. Trying to find parts when (not if) one has a breakage is usually an effort in futility as customer support is one of the plac s costs are cut. Same goes for gunsmiths, a good smith won't bother with them as fixing one requires more time and effort than it is worth for questionable results.

A 410 built on a true 410 frame is a joy to carry but a pain to shoot well. They have never been popular for this reason which is why they are so expensive. Anyone who uses a 410 for any serious amount of shooting chooses something heavier for higher and more consistent scores/results.

In the "affordable" range of roughly $2000-$3000+ there is Beretta, Ceasar Guerrini, and a few others. The Browning Cynergy is a bit heavier but is also a little less expensive at under $2000. The lower priced Berettas also fit into this category. The Browning Citori and Japanese made Weatherby/SKB and Franchi shotguns also fall into this grouping. I have a Citori and a Beretta 682 in 410 which have proven themselves reliable over and over again. Both were bought before choke tubes became popular but the recent models have them.

As I have already stated, I would be very, very leery of Turkish shotguns. They have come a long ways forward in quality but considering where they were they still have a ways to go.

Gunbroker has a handful of khan 410s if that’s what you’re after. Upper $300 range.

Yes I saw those has anyone actually owned one ?or had experience with them ?

Thank you for your input but I'm not looking to invest that much in to said gun , and as I stated the Franchi I handled was poor handling and heavy like a rock

Stevens 555

There's a thought ,thank you

Rick I'm pretty impressed with the Stevens, they aren't heirloom quality but definitely serviceable

One of the guys in our gun club shoots weekly with a 555 in 28, at several clubs and has had no issues

I was pleasantly surprised with my 555 in 410. I would recommend highly.

Does anyone know if the Stevens are available with 28" tubes ?

No, the 410,28, and 20 are only available in 26 inch tubes

Too bad

I found this 50 year old Salvinelli at a gunshow and snapped it up. It's like new and light as a feather. Not much help to you I guess, but it's nice to think about it in the off season.

Daughter and SIL are co-owners in a small ranch/hunting preserve. We have a nice dove hunt every year opening 2-3 days. I generally use a Model 42 Winchester (.410) opening day. Another snob uses a Guerini .410 O/U that is a really nice gun, but it is way past $500.

As previously recommended, the small frame Beretta's is where I would look. Unless you score a deal on a nice used one, they start at about 3x the mentioned money.

I did a search for Kahn shotguns, but the only O/U s they list are 12 ga.

Best wishes,

Jack

Beretta builds it's Silver Pigeon .410's and 28's on the same "baby" frame. Think about acquiring a 28 instead of a .410. Same handling qualities and much more versatile. Avoid .410's and 28's built on 20 gauge frames as they are too heavy and bulky for a 410 or 28. Look for a good solid used one.

My Silver Pigeon 28 is a death ray on quail. Does a surprisingly good job on sporting clays, too.

Beautiful shotgun !!!