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Thanks. I can see how that would be good in low light or fast, offhand shooting.


Apologies to the OP. Didn't mean to sidetrack your thread. Good write up btw. Looks like the Tract has decent adjustments that work like they're supposed to.

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I realize they are manufactured in a common facility. But a company such as Tract has to ‘spec’ something. What engineering is behind what is spec’d? Maybe they have a solid engineering and testing protocol, I just don’t know.

Do they have unique designs that will maintain zero for hundreds of shots or maintain adjustment repeatability? I’m not saying they don’t have a solid design, just that I don’t know what goes into their design.

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Originally Posted by prm
I realize they are manufactured in a common facility. But a company such as Tract has to ‘spec’ something. What engineering is behind what is spec’d? Maybe they have a solid engineering and testing protocol, I just don’t know.

Do they have unique designs that will maintain zero for hundreds of shots or maintain adjustment repeatability? I’m not saying they don’t have a solid design, just that I don’t know what goes into their design.


Tell me the engineering specs of other scopes that you know.



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You’re missing my point, or I’m not communicating well. I’m not bashing Tract, just asking a question. Who designs their scopes? What level of engineering goes into the design? Just a question, not an accusation.

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You’re missing my point, or I’m not communicating well. I’m not bashing Tract, just asking a question. Who designs their scopes? What level of engineering goes into the design? Just a question, not an accusation.


I’m asking you what do you know about the design and engineering of any other scopes.



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Who cares. I’m a consumer, not a scope engineer. I just want to have some faith in the design before making a decision to purchase. Some companies have engineering departments and do significant testing to designs. Companies that have been around awhile have a track record. For a new company, what do you base a decision to purchase on? If I knew their design went through some rigorous testing I’d feel better about it. I’ve wondered the same about Athlon, Maven, Tract, etc. Do they have their own full blown design, engineering and testing facilities? Just a question...

https://www.zeiss.com/sports-optics/en_us/company/innovation---tradition.html#innovation

http://www.nightforceoptics.com/technology

http://www.meoptasportsoptics.com/us/about-meopta-1.html

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Originally Posted by prm
Who cares. I’m a consumer, not a scope engineer. I just want to have some faith in the design before making a decision to purchase. Some companies have engineering departments and do significant testing to designs. Companies that have been around awhile have a track record. For a new company, what do you base a decision to purchase on? If I knew their design went through some rigorous testing I’d feel better about it.



Google Tract Optics and call them. I think the owner's names are John and Jon, and you'll likely get one of them on the phone. Maybe talking to one of them can satisfy you.


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I have to say, the only thing I see better than your review is your shooting. Thanks for posting. I have a Toric 3-15 but have not tested it like you have.


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I have to say, the only thing I see better than your review is your shooting. Thanks for posting. I have a Toric 3-15 but have not tested it like you have.


Thanks I guess all my practice pays off. Im a firearms examiner during the week and I shoot almost every weekend outdoors.


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Nice job. Thanks. My Tract is a mere Tekoa, but I'm very happy with it so far, especially considering it only cost $400 on sale. Even without the ED glass, the view is impressive.

As to your rifle, how do you think the route you took with an extensively altered 700 compares price and performance-wise with using a custom like a Stiller?


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Nice job. Thanks. My Tract is a mere Tekoa, but I'm very happy with it so far, especially considering it only cost $400 on sale. Even without the ED glass, the view is impressive.

As to your rifle, how do you think the route you took with an extensively altered 700 compares price and performance-wise with using a custom like a Stiller?


The whole action only cost $500 the way it was so it wasn't a bad deal. Normally my buddy builds my guns no charge. Yes, doing all that work you might as well buy a custom action. I had most of the components sitting around myself. He is moving his shop so I had Carl do it this time. I have a few customs like Nesika and Bat and I have to say the Remingtons work just as well.


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Originally Posted by prm
Who cares. I’m a consumer, not a scope engineer. I just want to have some faith in the design before making a decision to purchase. Some companies have engineering departments and do significant testing to designs. Companies that have been around awhile have a track record. For a new company, what do you base a decision to purchase on? If I knew their design went through some rigorous testing I’d feel better about it.



Google Tract Optics and call them. I think the owner's names are John and Jon, and you'll likely get one of them on the phone. Maybe talking to one of them can satisfy you.


You can read a bit here and then give them a call with your specific questions.

https://www.tractoptics.com/about

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Originally Posted by prm
Who cares. I’m a consumer, not a scope engineer. I just want to have some faith in the design before making a decision to purchase. Some companies have engineering departments and do significant testing to designs. Companies that have been around awhile have a track record. For a new company, what do you base a decision to purchase on? If I knew their design went through some rigorous testing I’d feel better about it. I’ve wondered the same about Athlon, Maven, Tract, etc. Do they have their own full blown design, engineering and testing facilities? Just a question...

https://www.zeiss.com/sports-optics/en_us/company/innovation---tradition.html#innovation

http://www.nightforceoptics.com/technology

http://www.meoptasportsoptics.com/us/about-meopta-1.html


I’d feel fairly confident based on reviews and word of mouth.



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Originally Posted by bhoges
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I have to say, the only thing I see better than your review is your shooting. Thanks for posting. I have a Toric 3-15 but have not tested it like you have.


Thanks I guess all my practice pays off. Im a firearms examiner during the week and I shoot almost every weekend outdoors.
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The ballistic version of a medical examiner.


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In the NYPD we have a ballistics lab for all the gun that come in from crimes ect. My job is to test the firearms and ammunition and to ID them. Testify in court on my findings.


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Originally Posted by bhoges
In the NYPD we have a ballistics lab for all the gun that come in from crimes ect. My job is to test the firearms and ammunition and to ID them. Testify in court on my findings.


So you’re a Gunecologist?


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Nice, comprehensive review. Even better shooting. I think you could out shoot me if you used a paper-towel roll and a couple of crossed strings. Just WOW.

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