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Last day of the season. Biggest elk in the states. Roosevelt lead cow. Huge. Dead run leading the herd to safety. 100yds. Tough shot. Huge cow. Always use enough gun.  I believe I've found the near perfect combination.
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I've never seen a 6.5 Creedmoor, but I've taken a good number of elk with various 6.5s (I think 8 more with the 6.5 x 55 since last replying to this thread) from about 50 to 450 yards. Quartered and packed at least another half dozen taken with the 6.5 x 55. I've harvested elk with cartridges up to the 375 Ruger, among them magnums, pistol rounds, and big lever rounds. I do not find 6.5s lacking in the elk killing department. I see "elk hunters" suffering a number of issues and shortcomings, being "under-headstamped" is rarely one of them.
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Elk shoulders don't have "sockets"....
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BushCaddy,
So you're saying you KNOW the 6.5 Creedmoor is too small for elk?--
"I don't have a Creedmoor but I have a cple of 6.5 Swedes but never shot an Elk with one."
"I shoot mid bores .. .338-06, .35 Whelen AI and 9.3.62"
No,I have not taken an Elk with my Swedes nor have I taken one with a .243. Others, unknown to me, apparently have. That does not necessarily mean either one is a good candidate for an all-round Larger Big Game cartridge.. if such a singular thing exists. I have taken Deer, Pronghorn, Caribou and BBear with the 6.5 Swede and it performed admirably an all occasions, as did a .30-06, .270 Win, 7 Rem Mag and 7 STW.
All I said was that the 3 calibers I mentioned in my post (.338-06, .35 Whelen and the 9,3x62) were far superior to the CM as dedicated Elk cartridges, as are many others chamberings. I have all three chamberings mentioned initially and use them regularly on all Bigger Game ..Elk and Moose in particular. Having hunted only in Alberta and British Columbia for over 50 years I think each of those three cartridges is a truly super performer in that application . I'll stick with what I said and observe while others try and prove out the Creedmoor as a viable Elk round. After all, that's where it all started ,wasn't it ?
That said, I have my copy of Gun Gack and note you make no mention of your Creedmoor being used on anything other than Deer and Antelope. I'm sure you have valid reasons for that. I also note you speak very highly of the three cartridges I mentioned as well ... so WTH gives with the tag-team stereotyping ? Maybe I should have used a Smiley.
Anyway, that's my take and thanks for asking.
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No,I have not taken an Elk with my Swedes nor have I taken one with a .243. Others, unknown to me, apparently have. That does not necessarily mean either one is a good candidate for an all-round Larger Big Game cartridge.
And it doesn't necessarily mean that the Creedmoor/260/Swede is not a good candidate either now does it? What it does mean is that people who've actually used the Creedmoor/260/Swede on elk are in a much better position to judge their efficacy than you are. So on this particular topic you'd be best served by listening rather than opining. No stereotyping about it.
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Larry Root, Brad or someone similar.
Not worth it... Agreed. A man convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still.You can't help someone that "knows"...
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![[Linked Image]](http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m254/MarshaShagool/Chuck2/65140Partition001.jpg) Lead cow shoulder socket crushed... Always use enough gun. That doesn't look like the kind of damage I would want. Too much wasted meat for me.
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Me either but that has very little to do with the cartridge, especially a mild one.
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Just another 2 cents worth.
That's an over-estimate. 
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Untested biases ? Don't be jumping to conclusions. You guys are all pretty good at that. Try and get out more.
Ok. So, I've never shot an Elk, but I can sure as hell tell you're at the very least biased. But you're untested on the 6.5 CM because you admitted it your self.
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Is there a law against being biased????
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No, and there's no law against posting opinions on things you know nothing about. Otherwise Campfire posts would be reduced at least 90%--both because of the know-nothing posts, and because of other members responding to them.
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No, and there's no law against posting opinions on things you know nothing about. Otherwise Campfire posts would be reduced at least 90%--both because of the know-nothing posts, and because of other members responding to them. Except for Big Stick, of course. He only posts on things he knows about...
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We all have things we are biased against.. We have that right to speak.. I for one get tired of people beating down someone just because they don't agree with everyone.. These slick smart ass quips that are so popular with several ruin another wise enjoyable thread..
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Hazen, I know you've killed way more than your fair share of critters, to include elk and moose---but I've noticed that you seem to have had some bad luck with the smaller rounds....not sure if it is (was) just bad luck, if you're doing something different than others, or what the deal is.
I have found the midsize 6.5 and similar rounds to be perfectly adequate for elk. In some cases I have found them to be more effective on classic behind the shoulder shots than bigger rounds like my .340 Wby with bullets such as accubonds and such. Kind of odd how experiences differ within similar circumstances...
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T, I have had some less than excellent performance with some smaller rounds .. Especially the .24 and 25 caliber rounds.. Good hits and not good kills.. I am not as gung ho on the Creedmore as some.. May try one someday, but right now I have other things to build.. But I understand what you are saying and I know you have had good success with the .223 and 6.5,,
I just bothers me folks can't speak their thoughts without 4 or 5 members cutting them down with their smart ass one liners.. I have shot a lot of game with .22 caliber centerfires..They have never failed to produce good results.. But my shots were carefully picked, even then I never felt at ease with shooting big game with them.. It was for me "stunt shooting".. That was how I felt about it.. To me if it works fine, but if a guy doesn't feel it is suitable, he does have the right to speak his mind.. I am sure you would not disagree.. Anyway, good luck with the wolves..
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If I may be so bold, I believe the discussion, so to speak ,was referring to the 6.5 Creedmoor, not a modern 6.5x55 SE.
When the CM can deliver a 160 gr bullet to any animal, that becomes another matter. That's the bullet that sets the 6.5 SE far apart from the CM. Even a 140 at 2800 MV out of a modern Swede makes it a viable Elk round, but there are other cartridges that deliver 140 and 160 gr bullets more effectively than even the 6.5x55 .. IMHO
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Ya, the put downs on these boards do get old, no doubt. I have been guilty of it at times, as has most everyone. I am not always so sure that what some people call put downs really are though....or if others are just expressing their own differing views without clearly expressing that. In this particular case it is kind of a grey area in my mind. Either way I am going to let that pack I was chasing yesterday have the day off, and my knee is getting a rest as well. I'll see if they want to play again tomorrow...being that all the one wanted to do is howl at me and not commit, I suspect it is a female  . Good luck casing coyotes down there!
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Thanks.. Would be a great day for it.. Snow and NO WIND.. But I have to wait for an important phone call.. Rest up and get 'em tomorrow.. What are you packing the 6-5/284??? Always thought that was a neat caliber..
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If I may be so bold, I believe the discussion, so to speak ,was referring to the 6.5 Creedmoor, not a modern 6.5x55 SE.
When the CM can deliver a 160 gr bullet to any animal, that becomes another matter. That's the bullet that sets the 6.5 SE far apart from the CM. Even a 140 at 2800 MV out of a modern Swede makes it a viable Elk round, but there are other cartridges that deliver 140 and 160 gr bullets more effectively than even the 6.5x55 .. IMHO
No need for 160 grain bullets in 6.5mm for killing elk at all, when a 120 grain monometal such as the TTSX will penetrate every bit as deeply (if not more!) and give a flatter trajectory out to all reasonable hunting distances. I've taken six elk with a 6.5mm 120 grain Barnes bullet out to ranges of 325 yards. Have never caught a single one. A Creedmoor can handle a 120 at pretty close to 3K and is a perfect vehicle for delivering that bullet. I am actually excited to try the 127 Barnes LRX out of my 6.5 Creedmoor this fall on my elk hunts in Colorado and Montana. I am hoping it will be the best all-around bullet for that cartridge, and accuracy is looking good so far.
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