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Agreed, but if you start the TTSX off at 3350fps (as it's factory Vor-tx offering lists), its .331 BC will see the velocity drop to 1993fps at 500 yards with a drop of 35.5 inches (assuming a 200 yard zero). If you start the Nosler at 3000fps, its .379 BC will give a velocity of 1872 fps at 500 yards and a drop of 42.5 inches with a 200 yard zero.

At the 300 yards stated;

80gr TTSX approx. 2500fps, 1100ft/lbs energy & 5.7" drop. vs. 95gr NBT approx. 2300fps, 1130ft/lbs energy & 7" drop.

Pretty similar.


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They 95NBT works, but I'd stay away from bone and not expect exits on shots with much angle. If you can work with that, you'll be fine. If you want increased odds of exits with quartering shots, go with the Barnes.


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Originally Posted by David_Walter
What’s the difference between the 90 grain and 95 grain BTs? Besides the 5 grains, of course.


90 grain BT - SD = 0.218, BC = 0.365, OAL = 1.071"

95 grain BT - SD = 0.230, BC = 0.379, OAL = 1.115"

Difference - SD = 0.012, BC = 0.014, OAL = 0.044"

Doesn't look like much, but maybe it is.

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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
In fact the guy who designed ithe 95 BT for Nosler used it quite successfully on a number of good-sized bull elk. It definitely works on deer.

John,

I remember reading somewhere that he designed them to be tough enough to specifically hunt elk in the speedy 6's, up to the Weatherby. Am I correct in this, John? You seem to be our resident expert fact-checker, as well as favorite writer.


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I think they are the same except for weight.The 90 grain will stabilize in the slow twist 244 Remington. Just shoot the one that groups the best in your rifle.

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In fact the guy who designed ithe 95 BT for Nosler used it quite successfully on a number of good-sized bull elk. It definitely works on deer.

John,

I remember reading somewhere that he designed them to be tough enough to specifically hunt elk in the speedy 6's, up to the Weatherby. Am I correct in this, John? You seem to be our resident expert fact-checker, as well as favorite writer.


The bullet was designed by Chub Eastman,according to Dogzapper here at the fire. Steve(Dogzapper) saw Chub wack some big critters up to and including Moose with this very bullet according to some earlier posts by Steve. This all assumes that I am remembering the story correctly,but I think I got it pretty close to the truth.

Which is the best a guy can hope for around here anyway.

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The guys at my hunting camp have asked me to inform anyone considering the use of a 95 NBT on white tail deer to just say no. It is totally ineffective to the point that it actually bounces off even the Bambiest of Bambis. They then pick it up in their teeth and turn it into an unwelcome suppository for whomever shot them with it. Seriously, don't even consider buying this bullet for deer hunting. Most especially don't buy it in blem/over-run form from Shooters Pro Shop.

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Originally Posted by JPro
They 95NBT works, but I'd stay away from bone and not expect exits on shots with much angle. If you can work with that, you'll be fine. If you want increased odds of exits with quartering shots, go with the Barnes.

My experience is you can hold on bone all you want. The bullet is plenty tough enough to handle it.


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I used a .243 for one season just for fun and shot 4 deer with the 95 ballistic tip. It performed very well. 2 deer dropped on the spot. One ran 20 yards and one ran 40 but he was hit pretty far back. If I used a .243 again I would definitely use the 95BT.

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Here is dogzapper's post concerning the 95 BT:
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The .243" 95-grain Ballistic was designed by Gail Root. Gail was perhaps Nosler's most talented ballistician.

Gail is and was a .243 Winchester NUT and he designed the 95-grain to be HIS big game killing bullet. Goodness only knows how many big 6X6 bull elk Gail took with the 95 and most of them with a single well-placed shot.

I know of at least one record-class Nilgai bull that Gail killed with the 95. Nilgai have the well-earned reputation of being almost bulletproof. The bull fell at the shot.

Gail also used the 95 to collect his magnificent B&C typical whitetail.

Gail was proud of the 95's performance of big game; it's great penetration, superb accuracy and killing performance is amazing. This is one bullet that never had to go back for re-design.

Yes, I've killed big game with the.243 95-grain Ballistic ... maybe thirty head of assorted mule deer, whitetail, antelope and one quite decent black bear. And, YES, one raghorn 5X5 bull elk that measured about 285 B&C. I've never had to shoot any big game animal more than once and the animals either dropped in place or struggled for less than 20 yards.

The single bull elk I killed with the 95-grain fell as if electrocuted. I was using a Runger Number One in 6mm Remington Normal.

Naysayers will cuss and discuss the Ballistic Tip ... and that ain't my problem. I'm only telling you what I know for a fact and I have considerable experience with the 95-grainer and have found it to be a superb big game bullet.

Steve

PS. If I was shooting foxes, coyotes and bobcats, I WOULD NOT use the 95-grain Ballistic Tip. It is for this purpose that Gail designed the 70-grain Ballistic. Gail was justifiably proud of both the 95 and the 70 ... they each were made for a specific purpose and they both accomplish their goals wonderfully.

By the way, Gail pretty much killed stuff with two rifles. Literally ALL of his big game was slain cleanly with his .243 Winchester Normal.

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Originally Posted by New_2_99s
Agreed, but if you start the TTSX off at 3350fps (as it's factory Vor-tx offering lists), its .331 BC will see the velocity drop to 1993fps at 500 yards with a drop of 35.5 inches (assuming a 200 yard zero). If you start the Nosler at 3000fps, its .379 BC will give a velocity of 1872 fps at 500 yards and a drop of 42.5 inches with a 200 yard zero.

At the 300 yards stated;

80gr TTSX approx. 2500fps, 1100ft/lbs energy & 5.7" drop. vs. 95gr NBT approx. 2300fps, 1130ft/lbs energy & 7" drop.

Pretty similar.



Paul - you're right. I got the starting velocity wrong with the 80 TTSX.


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Thank you, I appreciate the replies.


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Thanks for finding the post. It was Gail Root and not Chub. I do think there is another story involving Steve and Chub,but I got it mixed up.

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This 95 BTip must be a heckofa bullet....everyone on the ‘fire seems to agree!! That’s rare!

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While I've not harvested a whitetail with the 95 gr NBT yet, I have them loaded up in a 6x47 Lapua. Shooting sub .5" groups. I don't know the velocity. 34.5 gr of CFE223. I'm sure if I do my job, and place the bullet in the right spot, they'll do their job and take care of business.

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Originally Posted by southtexas
This 95 BTip must be a heckofa bullet....everyone on the ‘fire seems to agree!! That’s rare!


Start calling it the FFP 95 Btip. Then [bleep] will get real.

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Found the story,Chub was the one who sold Steve on the 120 grain Ballistic Tip in 7mm . Chub and Steve hunted together and Steve used the 120 Ballistic Tip in his 280 Ackley on plenty of deer and bull elk. Steve even used it to kill a moose at close range.

I knew there was a Chub story in my brain somewhere involving Steve and Ballistic Tips.

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Nosler offers a BT in 90 and 95 grain, but then offers a 90 grain AB. I didn't think they did that if the BT were as good? Does that mean that the 90 grain AB is a tougher bullet?

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Originally Posted by N2TRKYS
Nosler offers a BT in 90 and 95 grain, but then offers a 90 grain AB. I didn't think they did that if the BT were as good? Does that mean that the 90 grain AB is a tougher bullet?

It means Noslers marketing department is good at their job. They know certain guys will believe new=better. As long as new=as good as the proven original, hey, no harm done.

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We shot 3 whitetails this fall with the 243 using 70 grain BTips. Reduced velocity loads. All exited, including breaking leg bones on one of them. The 95 is just more better.

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