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Church of Christ guy? Same people who say Billy Graham was a fraud include "C.S. Lewis was New Age, blah, blah, blah."
Only God knows his own anyway. Spend your time obeying Jesus (and leave his other servants alone.)

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Graham wrote this. It looks pretty solid to me. What confuses some is that Jesus said 'knock and the door will open'. If you seek God, you will find him. How does a person in darkest Africa seek God if he's never heard of Jesus? We're not told but we are told that Jesus is the ONLY way to salvation. In some untold manner, Jesus goes to anyone who seeks. It's not through Allah. It's not through Bhudda. It's through Jesus and ONLY Jesus. God knows their hearts and they will find him.


Have You Heard the Good News of Salvation?
By Billy Graham • July 27, 2010 •
Nothing can compare with all that is ours in Christ when we find salvation. Forgiveness. Justification. Adoption. Eternal life. What a glorious life the Gospel offers to those who are searching for purpose and meaning or to those who have found that materialism and sensual pleasure are not the answer to the deepest yearnings of the heart.

The crowning glory of salvation is promised when we enter into the presence of the King. We have a home in heaven reserved for us and awards that await us. No wonder the Gospel is “good news.”

Unfortunately, many people today have distorted the meaning of salvation, saying that it means only political, social and economic liberation in this life. Certainly, Christians should be concerned about injustice and do what they can to promote a more just world. But lasting and complete liberation from social injustice will come only when Jesus Christ returns to establish His Kingdom. Biblical salvation is far deeper, because it gets to the root of our problem–the problem of sin. Only Christ can change the human heart and replace greed and hate with compassion and love.

Do you understand God’s plan of salvation?
There are certain points we all need to understand about the heart of the Good News of Christ.

First, all are sinners and stand under the judgment of God. “For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” (Romans 3:23, NIV). We might believe that we are good enough to win God’s favor or that we can perform certain religious acts to counterbalance our bad deeds. But the Bible states that we are all condemned, for “there is no one righteous, not even one” (Romans 3:10, NIV).

Second, we need to understand what Christ has done to make our salvation possible. God loves us, and Christ came to make forgiveness and salvation possible. What did He do? He died on the cross as the complete sacrifice for our sins. He took upon Himself the judgment that we deserve.

Third, we need to respond to God’s work. God in His grace offers us the gift of eternal life. But like any gift, it becomes ours only when we take it.

We must repent of our sins. Repentance carries with it the idea of confession, sorrow, turning and changing. We cannot ask forgiveness over and over again for our sins and then return to those sins, expecting God to forgive us. We must turn from our practice of sin as best we know how, and turn by faith to Christ as our Lord and Savior. “It is by grace you have been saved, through faith–and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God–not by works, so that no one can boast” (Ephesians 2:8-9, NIV). Christ invites us to come to Him, and God has promised, “to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God” (John 1:12, NIV).

Fourth, we must understand the cost of coming to Christ and following Christ. Jesus constantly called upon those who would follow Him to count the cost. A person must determine to leave his sins behind and turn from them. Some people may be unwilling to do so. And there may be other costs as well when we decide to follow Christ. In some cultures, a person who turns to Christ may be disowned by family, alienated from social life, imprisoned or even killed.

The ultimate cost of true discipleship is the cost of renouncing self: self-will, self-plans, self-motivations. Christ is to be Lord of our lives. Jesus declared, “If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me” (Luke 9:23, NIV). Jesus does not call us to a life of selfish comfort and ease–He calls us to a battle! He calls us to give up our own plans and to follow Him without reserve–even to death.

Yes, it costs to follow Christ. But it also costs not to follow Christ. It cost the Apostle Paul the prestige of a high-level position in the Jewish nation. But he declared, “whatever was to my profit I now consider loss for the sake of Christ. What is more, I consider everything a loss compared to the surpassing greatness of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have lost all things” (Philippians 3:7-8, NIV). Christ calls men and women not only to trust Him as Savior, but also to follow Him as Lord.

Fifth, salvation is intimately linked to the cross. The man who hung there between two thieves was without sin. His virgin birth, by the miraculous intervention of the Holy Spirit, meant that He did not inherit a sinful human nature. Neither did He commit any sin during His lifetime. Mary gave birth to the only perfect child. He became the only perfect man. As such, He was uniquely qualified to put into action God’s plan of salvation for mankind.

Why was Calvary’s cross so special, so different from hundreds of other crosses used for Roman executions? It was because on that cross Jesus suffered the punishment for sin that we all deserve. He was our Substitute. He suffered the judgment and condemnation of death that our sinful nature and deeds deserve. “God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God” (2 Corinthians 5:21, NIV).

Paul wrote to the church at Corinth, “I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified” (1 Corinthians 2:2, NIV). Paul knew there was a built-in power in the cross and the resurrection.

I remember a meeting early in my ministry when I walked away from where I was preaching, disheartened and disappointed. A businessman who was with me asked me if I knew what was wrong. I couldn’t put my finger on it until he told me. “Billy,” he said, “you didn’t preach the cross!”

He was right. The message had been theologically sound, and I had preached it as best I knew how. But that vital ingredient was missing. I learned my lesson. From that day to this, I have never preached an evangelistic message without pointing the listeners to the cross.

Finally, faith is essential for salvation. But we must be absolutely clear on what we mean when we speak of “salvation by faith.” There are various kinds of belief or faith, and not all are linked to salvation. In the New Testament, faith means more than intellectual belief. It involves trust and commitment. I may say that I believe a bridge will hold my weight. But I really believe it only when I commit myself to it and walk across it. Saving faith involves an act of commitment and trust, in which I commit my life to Jesus Christ and trust Him alone as my Savior and Lord.

A Personal Example
Let me use a personal example to illustrate this. When I first met Ruth, my future wife, I began to learn things about her–born in China, the daughter of medical missionaries and so on. As time went on, I learned more about her personality and character, and I fell in love with her.

But we were not yet married. We became husband and wife only when we took a definite step of commitment to each other on our wedding day.

In the same way, saving faith is a commitment to Jesus as Savior and Lord. It is a personal and individual decision. It is more than assent to historical or theological truth given to us in God’s Word. It is faith in the promises of God that all who trust in Christ will not perish but have eternal life.

That is truly good news.

How to Receive Christ
I hope this message has helped you to understand what Jesus Christ has done to save us and what our response must be. If you are not sure that you are right with God, you can be sure–right now.

Remember, we must admit that we are sinners. We must turn away from our sins and to Christ. We must trust Him as our Savior and follow Him as our Lord. God promises that when we do this, He will save us and make us His children, and we will live with Him forever.

Will you turn to Christ now?


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Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
Graham wrote this. It looks pretty solid to me. What confuses some is that Jesus said 'knock and the door will open'. If you seek God, you will find him. How does a person in darkest Africa seek God if he's never heard of Jesus? We're not told but we are told that Jesus is the ONLY way to salvation. In some untold manner, Jesus goes to anyone who seeks. It's not through Allah. It's not through Bhudda. It's through Jesus and ONLY Jesus. God knows their hearts and they will find him.


Have You Heard the Good News of Salvation?
By Billy Graham • July 27, 2010 •
Nothing can compare with all that is ours in Christ when we find salvation. Forgiveness. Justification. Adoption. Eternal life. What a glorious life the Gospel offers to those who are searching for purpose and meaning or to those who have found that materialism and sensual pleasure are not the answer to the deepest yearnings of the heart.

The crowning glory of salvation is promised when we enter into the presence of the King. We have a home in heaven reserved for us and awards that await us. No wonder the Gospel is “good news.”

Unfortunately, many people today have distorted the meaning of salvation, saying that it means only political, social and economic liberation in this life. Certainly, Christians should be concerned about injustice and do what they can to promote a more just world. But lasting and complete liberation from social injustice will come only when Jesus Christ returns to establish His Kingdom. Biblical salvation is far deeper, because it gets to the root of our problem–the problem of sin. Only Christ can change the human heart and replace greed and hate with compassion and love.

Do you understand God’s plan of salvation?
There are certain points we all need to understand about the heart of the Good News of Christ.

First, all are sinners and stand under the judgment of God. “For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” (Romans 3:23, NIV). We might believe that we are good enough to win God’s favor or that we can perform certain religious acts to counterbalance our bad deeds. But the Bible states that we are all condemned, for “there is no one righteous, not even one” (Romans 3:10, NIV).

Second, we need to understand what Christ has done to make our salvation possible. God loves us, and Christ came to make forgiveness and salvation possible. What did He do? He died on the cross as the complete sacrifice for our sins. He took upon Himself the judgment that we deserve.

Third, we need to respond to God’s work. God in His grace offers us the gift of eternal life. But like any gift, it becomes ours only when we take it.

We must repent of our sins. Repentance carries with it the idea of confession, sorrow, turning and changing. We cannot ask forgiveness over and over again for our sins and then return to those sins, expecting God to forgive us. We must turn from our practice of sin as best we know how, and turn by faith to Christ as our Lord and Savior. “It is by grace you have been saved, through faith–and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God–not by works, so that no one can boast” (Ephesians 2:8-9, NIV). Christ invites us to come to Him, and God has promised, “to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God” (John 1:12, NIV).

Fourth, we must understand the cost of coming to Christ and following Christ. Jesus constantly called upon those who would follow Him to count the cost. A person must determine to leave his sins behind and turn from them. Some people may be unwilling to do so. And there may be other costs as well when we decide to follow Christ. In some cultures, a person who turns to Christ may be disowned by family, alienated from social life, imprisoned or even killed.

The ultimate cost of true discipleship is the cost of renouncing self: self-will, self-plans, self-motivations. Christ is to be Lord of our lives. Jesus declared, “If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me” (Luke 9:23, NIV). Jesus does not call us to a life of selfish comfort and ease–He calls us to a battle! He calls us to give up our own plans and to follow Him without reserve–even to death.

Yes, it costs to follow Christ. But it also costs not to follow Christ. It cost the Apostle Paul the prestige of a high-level position in the Jewish nation. But he declared, “whatever was to my profit I now consider loss for the sake of Christ. What is more, I consider everything a loss compared to the surpassing greatness of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have lost all things” (Philippians 3:7-8, NIV). Christ calls men and women not only to trust Him as Savior, but also to follow Him as Lord.

Fifth, salvation is intimately linked to the cross. The man who hung there between two thieves was without sin. His virgin birth, by the miraculous intervention of the Holy Spirit, meant that He did not inherit a sinful human nature. Neither did He commit any sin during His lifetime. Mary gave birth to the only perfect child. He became the only perfect man. As such, He was uniquely qualified to put into action God’s plan of salvation for mankind.

Why was Calvary’s cross so special, so different from hundreds of other crosses used for Roman executions? It was because on that cross Jesus suffered the punishment for sin that we all deserve. He was our Substitute. He suffered the judgment and condemnation of death that our sinful nature and deeds deserve. “God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God” (2 Corinthians 5:21, NIV).

Paul wrote to the church at Corinth, “I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified” (1 Corinthians 2:2, NIV). Paul knew there was a built-in power in the cross and the resurrection.

I remember a meeting early in my ministry when I walked away from where I was preaching, disheartened and disappointed. A businessman who was with me asked me if I knew what was wrong. I couldn’t put my finger on it until he told me. “Billy,” he said, “you didn’t preach the cross!”

He was right. The message had been theologically sound, and I had preached it as best I knew how. But that vital ingredient was missing. I learned my lesson. From that day to this, I have never preached an evangelistic message without pointing the listeners to the cross.

Finally, faith is essential for salvation. But we must be absolutely clear on what we mean when we speak of “salvation by faith.” There are various kinds of belief or faith, and not all are linked to salvation. In the New Testament, faith means more than intellectual belief. It involves trust and commitment. I may say that I believe a bridge will hold my weight. But I really believe it only when I commit myself to it and walk across it. Saving faith involves an act of commitment and trust, in which I commit my life to Jesus Christ and trust Him alone as my Savior and Lord.

A Personal Example
Let me use a personal example to illustrate this. When I first met Ruth, my future wife, I began to learn things about her–born in China, the daughter of medical missionaries and so on. As time went on, I learned more about her personality and character, and I fell in love with her.

But we were not yet married. We became husband and wife only when we took a definite step of commitment to each other on our wedding day.

In the same way, saving faith is a commitment to Jesus as Savior and Lord. It is a personal and individual decision. It is more than assent to historical or theological truth given to us in God’s Word. It is faith in the promises of God that all who trust in Christ will not perish but have eternal life.

That is truly good news.

How to Receive Christ
I hope this message has helped you to understand what Jesus Christ has done to save us and what our response must be. If you are not sure that you are right with God, you can be sure–right now.

Remember, we must admit that we are sinners. We must turn away from our sins and to Christ. We must trust Him as our Savior and follow Him as our Lord. God promises that when we do this, He will save us and make us His children, and we will live with Him forever.

Will you turn to Christ now?

Yeah, but Billy Graham didn't tell you what he actually believed unless he was on Larry King Live, or some such.

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He may have even been a Jew.

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There are lots of saved Jews, called Fulfilled Jews. They see that Jesus came to them, fulfilling their law. They recognize the OT prophecies of Jesus which have been rejected by mainstream Jews. They're there for all Jews to read but re ignored. They've accepted Jesus as Lord.


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Yes, Messianic Jews.

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Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
There are lots of saved Jews, called Fulfilled Jews. They see that Jesus came to them, fulfilling their law. They recognize the OT prophecies of Jesus which have been rejected by mainstream Jews. They're there for all Jews to read but re ignored. They've accepted Jesus as Lord.

When someone today refers to a Jew, he's referring to someone who 1) claims a connection to Abraham through descent, and 2) adheres in some sense to the Judaic religion/culture/identity grounded in the Talmud. If you adhere to the Talmud in any sense, you are not a Christian, since the Talmud preaches against Christ, and even applauds his crucifixion.

Converts to Judaism, therefore, aren't Jews. They are non-Jewish practitioners of the Judaic religion (e.g., Madonna). If they intermarry, their descendants may become Jews, but they, themselves are not.

Someone with Jewish ethnicity who has accepted Christ (and rejected the Talmud) is not a Jew, but a Christian.

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Oh the irony, this really isn't about Billy Graham but more about promoting the wacko lunatic Steven Anderson. He actively bashes Jews and also promotes holocaust denial. What irony.

The hatred of this pseudo motor-mouth "pastor" is disturbing........a wolf in sheep's clothing.

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Originally Posted by WhiteTail48
Oh the irony, this really isn't about Billy Graham but more about promoting the wacko lunatic Steven Anderson. He actively bashes Jews and also promotes holocaust denial. What irony.

The hatred of this pseudo motor-mouth "pastor" is disturbing........a wolf in sheep's clothing.

He's no different from Baptist preachers of the past. Just because many Baptist preachers today have adapted to the modern world, and changed to a kind of preaching that the world loves, doesn't mean the old time Baptists had it wrong. Quite the opposite, in fact.

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There are lots of saved Jews, called Fulfilled Jews. They see that Jesus came to them, fulfilling their law. They recognize the OT prophecies of Jesus which have been rejected by mainstream Jews. They're there for all Jews to read but re ignored. They've accepted Jesus as Lord.

When someone refers to a Jew, he's referring to someone who 1) claims a connection to Abraham through descent, and 2) adheres in some sense to the Judaic religion/culture/identity grounded in the Talmud. If you adhere to the Talmud in any sense, you are not a Christian, since the Talmud preaches against Christ, and even applauds his crucifixion.

Converts to Judaism, therefore, aren't Jews. They are non-Jewish practitioners of the Judaic religion (e.g., Madonna). If they intermarry, their descendants may become Jews, but they, themselves are not.

Someone with Jewish ethnicity who has accepted Christ (and rejected the Talmud) is not a Jew, but a Christian.

If you are Chinese and convert to Christianity,are you still not Chinese???


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I’ve seen the Larry King clip and Graham did not deny Christ.

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ah, bloodlines. what do they supercede and/or override, and what do they not supercede?

leave it to the death of a evangelist of some reknown to kick off another discussion.

and thanks to TRH for bringing the subject up. i'm sure we'll solve it.


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Originally Posted by Huntz

If you are Chinese and convert to Christianity,are you still not Chinese???

Unlike being a Jew, being Chinese isn't connected both to being that ethnicity and being a Buddhist (or feeling an attachment to Buddhist tradition and/or culture).

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I’ve seen the Larry King clip and Graham did not deny Christ.


I don't remember the interview,but wasn't Graham talking about people believing in Jesus and seeking salvation even if they didn't know his name? Wouldn't everyone in the OT have been saved the same way,by seeking salvation from God? Yes,it was through Jesus but they didn't know that yet.

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Well, in the Larry King clip Larry asked him about all those preachers telling Jews and Buddhists and the like that they were going to hell because no Jesus. BG response that those preachers were RIGHT IN MOST RESPECTS but that that wasn’t his ministry. His ministry was to teach the live of Christ.

In the thing you are talking about, I took it to mean that many Muslims, atheists and whatever would come to Christ and were actively seeking a Christ even though they did not yet realize it.

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Is that guy the same one that turned pissing against the wall into doctrine? (I like peeing standing up as much as the next guy, but I'm not sure it's Sunday morning sermon material.) He's a strange bird to be sure...



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seeking jesus without knowing it... enter the five point calvinists.. but this forum and many others won't have anything to do with that doctrine. jump up and down and expell all of the feathers from the pillow is what they'd do, and then feel justified in their actions.


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The Talmud is man made. God gave the Jews the Torah, or the law, but they wrote their own Talmudic laws to try to interpret what God said. They couldn't just take the Torah for what it says, they had to 'improve' on it. There are lots of Jews who follow only the Torah and the saved Jews are among them. They're still true Jews but fulfilled with the salvation of Christ.


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