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Originally Posted by huntsman22
the elk 'are bigger than horse flys' is keen knowledge

The horse flies in Wyoming aren't as big as the ones down in Colorado. crazy


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Originally Posted by huntsman22
I'm impressed.... You know a lot of stuff.



That's right, and you'd best be using one of the bullets that's "on the list."



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The Swedes are not the Norwegians, IIRC.
But both can ski.


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Originally Posted by szihn
With perfectly placed bullets and broadside shots even poor hunting bullet will kill them. But an "elk bullet" is one that will break heavy bone and still penetrate about 24" or more.

There are some 6.5MM bullets that will do it too, but not many of the "long range" ones will. They are made to fly well, not penetrate heavy bones and bodies.

The Creedmoor is basically a 6.5 Swede ballisticly. Use the same hunting bullets for game over 400 pounds that the Swedish do and you will be just fine. The Swede is a shell with a long history of killing moose, which are larger then elk.

Don't fall for the bait of buying bullets because "they are more accurate" for elk hunting. Elk are big! You don't need 1/3 MOA and you can't use it in the field without artificial rests anyway. 1.5 MOA is just fine for elk. They are bigger then horse flys. If your good elk bullet will shoot 1/2 MOA that great, but really not necessary.

Here are the ones I'd consider.

Norma Oryx 156 Grain Bonded Protected Point
Norma Alaskan 156 grain
Woodleigh 160 Grain Weldcore
Hornady 160 Grain RN
Nosler AccuBond Bullets 140 Grain Bonded
Nosler Partition 140 Grain
Swift A-Frame 140 Grain Bonded Semi-Spitzer


Performance inside the elk is FAR more important than performance from the gun to the elk.


Of the bullets you recommend, which ones have you killed or seen elk killed with, and what were the results?


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Originally Posted by wageslave
The Swedes are not the Norwegians, IIRC.
But both can ski.


Yes, but back on topic, are Accubonds bonded?

The evidence is overwhelming:

Originally Posted by szihn
Nosler AccuBond Bullets 140 Grain Bonded



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I sense we are in the presence of greatness...


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Referring to only the current online Nosler loading manual, it shows a 6.5 129gr ABLR capable of 2900+ out of a CM. It also shows a 270 Win w/140gr AB capable of a bit more (but not much) velocity. Both bullets have a high BC and a high SD. The ABLR opens to a lower fps. Both hold together as they are bonded. The 270 is seldom questioned as an elk killer yet the 6.5 is. One is as good as the other on the performance end and I'll take less recoil and short case. They both kill well with good shooting and I've used both. Mac

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It bears repeating what Charles Sheldon did with his 6.5x54 Mannlicher-Schoenauer in AK... game hasn't changed, but bullets, powders, and optics sure have gotten better.


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Originally Posted by Mac284338
Referring to only the current online Nosler loading manual, it shows a 6.5 129gr ABLR capable of 2900+ out of a CM. It also shows a 270 Win w/140gr AB capable of a bit more (but not much) velocity. Both bullets have a high BC and a high SD. The ABLR opens to a lower fps. Both hold together as they are bonded. The 270 is seldom questioned as an elk killer yet the 6.5 is. One is as good as the other on the performance end and I'll take less recoil and short case. They both kill well with good shooting and I've used both. Mac


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Come on, .264 vs. .277! All the difference in the world! I read it here somewhere... whistle


Reminds me of a rather clueless except in his own mind coworker... a devout .270 fan, who got "really into reloading", sold the 7-08 youth model he had so they didn't need two sets of reloading dies and could all have the same ammo, and bought both his 10-12ish year old kids full sized, full length 270s.

He asked before an upcoming elk hunt what we were going to hunt elk with, since he knew we only had 260s. I told him we'd probably use the 260s and hope like hell the bullets didn't bounce off or just wound them. Guess which kids came home with two VERY dead elk, in two shots total, and which came home empty handed with stories of not being able to hold the guns up, not able to get on target, and then wounding and losing multiple elk when they finally shot? It's a common theme, even on tit tags for deer where a guy could sit in camp and drink until a doe walked by for his kids to whack.

I told that ignorant bastard we just got lucky, and seem to every year, and that we don't even deserve it cause I'm not living right anyway.

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Originally Posted by Brad
I sense we are in the presence of greatness...



Obviously his schizzlezin didn’t see what a teenager shooting a 6 creedmoor with 1/3 MOA bullets can do...


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Of the bullets you recommend, which ones have you killed or seen elk killed with, and what were the results?

To answer this question;
I have never killed an elk with a 6.5MM (wanted to last year, but my truck broke down and I was not able to go)

I have seen elk killed with the following ones:

Norma Alaskan 156 grain. Used by a friend in Lyman Wyoming. Killed a nice 5X6 bull with his 6.5X55. Bullet stayed inside the body but recovered weight was great. I remember it was 140+ grain plus. Shot was into the front of the chest. we took it out of the flank on the other side.

Nosler AccuBond Bullets 140 Grain Bonded. A friend in Thermopolis killed 2 cows with these from a 6.5X55, and a hunter from Iowa killed a 3X3 Rag-Horn with one fired from a 260 Remington. The 2 elk that my friend in Thermop shot were both 1 shot kills with one exit and the other bullet against the hide. I didn't get to weight it but it didn't shed much.
The Iowa hunter kept his bullet too. 2 shots, one exit one against the skin after going through about 3 feet of elk.

Hornady 160 Grain RN. Another friend from Thermopolis killed a very nice bull with one from his 6.5X55 that I made for him. Exit wound so I don't know the retained weight. Also I know 2 men in Montana that used them for elk and deer both and between them have probably killed 20. I was with them when they killed 2 bulls with these and one big deer. Both shooting 260s made on Mauser actions, one by me and one by a gunsmith in Montana. All bullets exited.

Nosler Partition 140 Grain I have seen 3 elk killed with these. One by a lady in Green River Wyoming. Exit wound quartering through the chest. One by a client that my Nephew was guiding and another by his wife on the same hunt. Fired from a 6.5-06. One bullet recovered but I didn't get to weigh it. My Nephew did and told me what it was but I don't remember exactly. I do remember it was about what I expect from Nosler partitions so it was probably about 70%

The 3 below I recommend just because I know them by reputation and recommendations of other hunters I trust, and in the case of the Norma Orex, I have fired some into a test trough when I was testing other bullets. It opened up well and the penetration was outstanding.

Norma Oryx 156 Grain Bonded Protected Point Tested in my ballistic trough. Most weigh about 80% of their original weight when I dug them out. Some that missed all the bones weigh about 88 to 90% VERY good bullets in my openion

Woodleigh 160 Grain Weldcore. Used by a friend in Australia who has killed many animals with them and sent me some pictures. Says they are the best over-all that he's used. Shoots a 6.5X55 and a 6.5X57.

Swift A-Frame 140 Grain Bonded Semi-Spitzer. Used by a man I know in Montana, from a 264 Win Mag and a 26 Nosler. Nothing but good was reported and all bullets exited the game so far. Deer, elk and one bear. I trust his judgement and he swears by them.

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Originally Posted by szihn
Of the bullets you recommend, which ones have you killed or seen elk killed with, and what were the results?

To answer this question;
I have never killed an elk with a 6.5MM (wanted to last year, but my truck broke down and I was not able to go)

I have seen elk killed with the following ones:

Norma Alaskan 156 grain. Used by a friend in Lyman Wyoming. Killed a nice 5X6 bull with his 6.5X55. Bullet stayed inside the body but recovered weight was great. I remember it was 140+ grain plus. Shot was into the front of the chest. we took it out of the flank on the other side.

Nosler AccuBond Bullets 140 Grain Bonded. A friend in Thermopolis killed 2 cows with these from a 6.5X55, and a hunter from Iowa killed a 3X3 Rag-Horn with one fired from a 260 Remington. The 2 elk that my friend in Thermop shot were both 1 shot kills with one exit and the other bullet against the hide. I didn't get to weight it but it didn't shed much.
The Iowa hunter kept his bullet too. 2 shots, one exit one against the skin after going through about 3 feet of elk.

Hornady 160 Grain RN. Another friend from Thermopolis killed a very nice bull with one from his 6.5X55 that I made for him. Exit wound so I don't know the retained weight. Also I know 2 men in Montana that used them for elk and deer both and between them have probably killed 20. I was with them when they killed 2 bulls with these and one big deer. Both shooting 260s made on Mauser actions, one by me and one by a gunsmith in Montana. All bullets exited.

Nosler Partition 140 Grain I have seen 3 elk killed with these. One by a lady in Green River Wyoming. Exit wound quartering through the chest. One by a client that my Nephew was guiding and another by his wife on the same hunt. Fired from a 6.5-06. One bullet recovered but I didn't get to weigh it. My Nephew did and told me what it was but I don't remember exactly. I do remember it was about what I expect from Nosler partitions so it was probably about 70%

The 3 below I recommend just because I know them by reputation and recommendations of other hunters I trust, and in the case of the Norma Orex, I have fired some into a test trough when I was testing other bullets. It opened up well and the penetration was outstanding.

Norma Oryx 156 Grain Bonded Protected Point Tested in my ballistic trough. Most weigh about 80% of their original weight when I dug them out. Some that missed all the bones weigh about 88 to 90% VERY good bullets in my openion

Woodleigh 160 Grain Weldcore. Used by a friend in Australia who has killed many animals with them and sent me some pictures. Says they are the best over-all that he's used. Shoots a 6.5X55 and a 6.5X57.

Swift A-Frame 140 Grain Bonded Semi-Spitzer. Used by a man I know in Montana, from a 264 Win Mag and a 26 Nosler. Nothing but good was reported and all bullets exited the game so far. Deer, elk and one bear. I trust his judgement and he swears by them.


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