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Have any of you guys tried the Simms (as in flyrod) jackets? They are impressively light, warm, and well designed.

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I did, but I accidentally spilled my non-fat soy latte and some killer quinoa salad on it so now it's ruined for me.



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Did you spill your latte on your Prius seat too?


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Hate to revive an old thread but it’s a good one. Has anyone tried the new version KUIU superdown PRO? How do they compare for use while glassing and sitting stationary? Thx

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I have not. Spent quite a bit of time in a Sitka Kelvin Lite hoody in WY at temps in the teens. I took a nap at mid-day with those temps.


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Mountain Hardwear "Ratio" Q-Shield down...bought on sale...excellent. Like wearing half of a sleeping bag. 13.9 oz, fits in a little stuff sack.


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Originally Posted by mountaintop
Hate to revive an old thread but it’s a good one. Has anyone tried the new version KUIU superdown PRO? How do they compare for use while glassing and sitting stationary? Thx



With 5oz of fill it’s about a 35 degree jacket for complete comfort while absolutely stationary for hours. That’s with wearing a thin base layer, and light to medium fleece (Patagonia R1) under it. If your in the sunlight, you can go lower.





Used a variety of puff jackets the last three weeks from negative 3 or 4 degrees to almost 60. Mostly between low teens and 35 degrees. The Firstlite Chamberlin has no equal in the hunting companies puffys. It’s a solid 20’ish degree jacket when worn as above.

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You could buy three of these for the price of the Chamberlin, and then have a lot of layering flexibility.

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https://www.rei.com/product/137433/rei-co-op-magma-850-down-hoodie-mens

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Where does the Sitka Kelvin Down hoody WS fit in? Does it compare to the chamberlain?

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Originally Posted by LeroyBeans
You could buy three of these for the price of the Chamberlin, and then have a lot of layering flexibility.

Just a thought
https://www.rei.com/product/137433/rei-co-op-magma-850-down-hoodie-mens



Yes. But it still wouldn’t do what the Chamberlin does. And to layer three together, you would have to go up a size for each one. If you needed a large, you have to have large, extra large, and XX large. Still wouldn’t match the Chamberlin.

74 layers is not the road to happiness. The Chamberlin is half the cost of it’s closest competitor that offers the same fill weight and quality. If someone needs a puff jacket to stay warm for true stationary activity below 30 degrees, it’s the best option right now.

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Originally Posted by mountaintop
Where does the Sitka Kelvin Down hoody WS fit in? Does it compare to the chamberlain?



Not quite. It has a bit of advantage with the Gore Windstopper, but has significantly less fill.

Worn as above-

Chamberlin= between 15-20 degrees.

Sitka Kelvin Down WS- 25-30 degrees.

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Thanks. Good info. How much fill does the chamberlain have?

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Formid - what can/do you wear over the chamberlin?

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Originally Posted by mountaintop
Hate to revive an old thread but it’s a good one. Has anyone tried the new version KUIU superdown PRO? How do they compare for use while glassing and sitting stationary? Thx



With 5oz of fill it’s about a 35 degree jacket for complete comfort while absolutely stationary for hours. That’s with wearing a thin base layer, and light to medium fleece (Patagonia R1) under it. If your in the sunlight, you can go lower.





Used a variety of puff jackets the last three weeks from negative 3 or 4 degrees to almost 60. Mostly between low teens and 35 degrees. The Firstlite Chamberlin has no equal in the hunting companies puffys. It’s a solid 20’ish degree jacket when worn as above.


Do you prefer FL over the Kifaru LPP?

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Originally Posted by mountaintop
Thanks. Good info. How much fill does the chamberlain have?



Right at 11oz in a large.





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Formid - what can/do you wear over the chamberlin?




Just a rain/wind shell.






Originally Posted by MasterBlaster

Do you prefer FL over the Kifaru LPP?


Not prefer, they’re just different. The Chamberlin and LPP are not in the same class/use category.


I use the heck out of the LPP. It just isn’t suitable for stationary work in truly cold weather. 35-40 degrees and stationary, lower level activity at 15-20 degrees, and movement under load below that- yeah, it does well.

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Originally Posted by Formidilosus
I use the heck out of the LPP. It just isn’t suitable for stationary work in truly cold weather. 35-40 degrees and stationary, lower level activity at 15-20 degrees, and movement under load below that- yeah, it does well.


Is there an Army issue item like the LPP?


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My current layering has either a silk weight base or FL Aerowool, then a 240 Peleton, Arcteryx Atom and then the LPP. It has to be cold for me to use the LPP. It’s good glassing in the teens. The Atom might be my favorite clothing item.

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Originally Posted by David_Walter

Is there an Army issue item like the LPP?



Not really. The ECWS Level 7 is a “high loft” puff jacket, but it’s not really comparable.





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My current layering has either a silk weight base or FL Aerowool, then a 240 Peleton, Arcteryx Atom and then the LPP. It has to be cold for me to use the LPP. It’s good glassing in the teens. The Atom might be my favorite clothing item.



So this is what I’ve talked about in this thread...


So that system is good for glassing in the teens for you. If you wouldn’t mind- what does that mean? Are you sitting completely motionless (I.e. not moving at all, no stomping feet, rubbing arms, etc.). ? If so, for how long? Is that in the sunlight? What are you wearing on your legs?

I ask these things because you have what amounts to a 30-40 degrees sleeping bag as far as loft and insulation, yet without the greater thermal effects of the bag, and your saying you are good to the teens...?

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I haven't read the entire thread so this one might have been mentioned. Last month I bought a Marmot Guides Down Hoodie jacket. It's quite packable. 700 fill. A few days ago I was hunting in 4F temps with a light wool shirt and a light fleece vest under it. I was plenty warm. The regular price is $250 but the Amazon has some sizes and colors on a close out for under $200.


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