Home Forums Birds & Dogs Shotguns Any experience with CZ Teal O/U?

They're solid guns.

People bitch about Turkish guns, but fail to realize o0%of Beretta Italian manufacturing employed are Turks.

I'm fairly impressed by cz. Have you checked out there new custom production gun.

I'm guessing the above poster meant 90% of Beretta's employees are Turks, not o0%. I find that difficult to believe but, if so, then I wonder which positions are filled with Turks and which aren't. I strongly suspect that any skilled positions have high standards to meet and anyone, regardless of country of origin, that can't meet these standards are let go. The same can be said of the materials used, Beretta I'd wager has more stringent specifications than most of the Turkish companies. .

Um, no they're not.. Then I'm guessing those particular employees are under a lot more (1) scrutiny and (2) quality-defined work status.. Compare the working innards of Turkish shotguns vs. those from Browning, SKB etc.. And that's not even beginning a comparison to Perazzi, Krieghoff etc..


Ya read my mind sir...

Many O/U stocks crack right at the tang - it's the thinnest part of the wood and under some stress.. Only ones worse are SXSs.. Most users of O/U shotguns who run hundreds/thousands of rounds through their guns yearly usually check things like stock tightness, choke tube tightness and general overall maintenance on a regular basis.. At least, I did when I was competing..


Cost concerns? Sure.. And if the CZ is gonna be used for birds (feathers, not clay) in open seasons only it should last years. But if it's to be used for 100-200 clay-bird shoots every weekend, you're gonna have to bite the bullet and spend a bit more for reliability..

Id be willing to bet none of the other large producers check the stock bolt tightness either, especially low priced models as that would be labor intensive which would up costs.

I have seen only one shotgun with a loose stock and it too was a Browning. It came from Miami in August to MN. I shot it that fall and put it up until early Feburary. I pulled it out to shoot a local tourney and felt the looseness when I opened the gun. 1/16-1/8 of a turn had it tight again. Odds are the change in humidity caused the looseness as the gun was a couple years old before I bought it. A new gun can suffer the same problem or the stock could have been a little green when pulled from the rack and dried a bit by the time it was sold. In any case, I can't blame the manufacturer for a "problem" one should notice before damage occurs. It's kind of like turning up the radio when a knock is heard in the engine. If one does not recognize the problem before it causes damage, it is still not the manufacturer's fault.

Probably the weakest link is the internal parts. One thing all critiques I have read on Turkish (actually all guns built to low price points) has been the large variance in internal part quality and finish. The hardening of wear surfaces can vary between minimal to adequate which can affect the time between part replacement. How well these parts fit together also plays a role as the fit and finish can affect how quickly a part fails. Huglu has suggested their guns should go as many as 50,000 rounds with recommended care before needing a rebuild. The key word is "should" with a number of inexpensive guns not reaching that point.

My former Citori was well over 150,000 rounds and did not need rebuilding yet. My current Citori has about half that number of rounds and is far from needing a rebuild. If/when it reaches that point it will cost me $380 to repair for another couple hundred thousand rounds. If a low price point shotgun needs a rebuild at a much lower round count and a similar price to rebuild, if someone will even do so, would it even be cost effective?

I have been down that road more than once in my early years, I learned my lessons then. All I can do is give the best advise I can based on my experiences and observations based on my usage and the risk of down time I am willing to put up with. With age and experience my acceptance of problems and potential problems haste grown steadily less.

Lee. My 725 had under a thousand rounds. Browning admits that they don't check stock bolt tightness at the factory

I'm sorry, but for 3500 bucks. They damned well ought to

Id be willing to bet none of the other large producers check the stock bolt tightness either, especially low priced models as that would be labor intensive which would up costs.

I have seen only one shotgun with a loose stock and it too was a Browning. It came from Miami in August to MN. I shot it that fall and put it up until early Feburary. I pulled it out to shoot a local tourney and felt the looseness when I opened the gun. 1/16-1/8 of a turn had it tight again. Odds are the change in humidity caused the looseness as the gun was a couple years old before I bought it. A new gun can suffer the same problem or the stock could have been a little green when pulled from the rack and dried a bit by the time it was sold. In any case, I can't blame the manufacturer for a "problem" one should notice before damage occurs. It's kind of like turning up the radio when a knock is heard in the engine. If one does not recognize the problem before it causes damage, it is still not the manufacturer's fault.

Probably the weakest link is the internal parts. One thing all critiques I have read on Turkish (actually all guns built to low price points) has been the large variance in internal part quality and finish.The hardening of wear surfaces can vary between minimal to adequate which can affect the time between part replacement. How well these parts fit together also plays a role as the fit and finish can affect how quickly a part fails. Huglu has suggested their guns should go as many as 50,000 rounds with recommended care before needing a rebuild. The key word is "should" with a number of inexpensive guns not reaching that point.

My former Citori was well over 150,000 rounds and did not need rebuilding yet. My current Citori has about half that number of rounds and is far from needing a rebuild. If/when it reaches that point it will cost me $380 to repair for another couple hundred thousand rounds. If a low price point shotgun needs a rebuild at a much lower round count and a similar price to rebuild, if someone will even do so, would it even be cost effective?

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