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I have owned one Lone Peak and used another. They are very good.

Owned three original Rem M700’s. The LPA is significantly better. No tendency to gall, none. And it has an integral recoil lug. Had an ExTreme Ti and sold it, never again.



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lone peak arms makes a very very nice action.there titanium was the smoothest of the ones I have handled.jim borden I believe makes the best functional and reliable steel action I have seen.i believe his actions are timed for extraction and possibly ignition.

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I just saw that Borden is no longer making Ti actions.

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I’ve been on the fence about building off one for months. It looks like my mind has been made up for me.


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Only if it had no barrel.

you really need to leave your village and get out more to learn something about the greater real world rather
than cast your ignorant doubts.


Butch is one of the most knowledgeable, experienced and sincere people that will put up with the BS on the fire. Please don't run him off. The rifles he has built would be a good basis for a Museum of modern weapons.

Are we talking Ti actions or MaiTai's?


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Prairie Gunworks had a nice one. Not sure of the other manufacturers but with an action similar to a NULA seems like you can get within about 6 or 8 ozs or so of the Ti with few concessions with an all steel rifle. Maybe aluminum mounts and bottom metal plus lighter scope.

Seems like many who are obsessed with light weight rifles wear size 40+ pants.


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You can hold Butch in a state rapture if you want , just don't expect it of others, and when he is wrong he is simply wrong.
btw; I found my better senses and got through and over the phase of fine grade walnut stock rifles that Butch is still going through.
MY primary interest is in practical hunting rifles not museum piece safe queens, but each to his own.

If anyone want to see and handle a near 4.5lb bolt rifle that Butch thinks can't/doesn't exist , they can go see Lex Webernick
in Texas, or his booth at SCI...He has been making such for many years already.


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Is a Ti short action lighter than a Montana 84M?


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I dont think so.

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Nice thread, I had been contemplating a Ti Pierce in the past, not heard anything bad anywhere in the past on Pierce. This forum is nice to exchange personal experiences, and as some mention from time to time, "YMMV." I have owned Stiller and Borden's - no issues with either.

Before members bash the integrity, experience, or knowledge of a member here, you might give that person the benefit of the doubt. There is a large collective of knowledge on this site. FWIW, I had a BAT that came to me really Jacked up, so anything is possible, and may well be an outlier.

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Originally Posted by Starman
Of all the 700 clone choices on the market, Echols selected the SS Borden for his daughters rifle.



I know for a fact that D'Arcy used a .308 length Model 70 for his daughters .260. I have held the rifle in my hands in D'Arcy's shop.

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Maybe I missed this , but then does the safety have to be on the trigger?

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Originally Posted by Ralphie
Originally Posted by Starman
Of all the 700 clone choices on the market, Echols selected the SS Borden for his daughters rifle.



I know for a fact that D'Arcy used a .308 length Model 70 for his daughters .260. I have held the rifle in my hands in D'Arcy's shop.


Then Id say D'Arcy changed his mind somewhere along the way...If you get the chance ask him about the Borden action he originally had
for the .260 build.

IIRC , D'Arcy mentioned the Borden on the Accurate Reloading forum, which he later swapped for a blued steel Borden.


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Originally Posted by Ralphie
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Of all the 700 clone choices on the market, Echols selected the SS Borden for his daughters rifle.



I know for a fact that D'Arcy used a .308 length Model 70 for his daughters .260. I have held the rifle in my hands in D'Arcy's shop.


Picture of it here in one of his old blogs. M70.

https://echolsrifles.blogspot.com/2014/11/taking-next-step.html?m=1

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Originally Posted by Starman
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Originally Posted by Starman
Of all the 700 clone choices on the market, Echols selected the SS Borden for his daughters rifle.



I know for a fact that D'Arcy used a .308 length Model 70 for his daughters .260. I have held the rifle in my hands in D'Arcy's shop.


Then Id say D'Arcy changed his mind somewhere along the way...If you get the chance ask him about the Borden action he originally had
for the .260 build.

IIRC , D'Arcy mentioned the Borden on the Accurate Reloading forum, which he later swapped for a blued steel Borden.



Longer action length, already being set up for a magazine box and cartridge specific follower, more accessible ejection port.

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Originally Posted by Markwondi
Yes, Pierce is one that I found subpar and quickly out of the running. There were many machining marks on the receiver I handled plus the bolt was very sticky despite being coated. To be fair, I already have 4 other Borden actions so I was extremely confident with Jim’s titanium receiver before even looking.

The 6.5x47L will be built on a McMillan Hunter edge fill stock, Bartlein 2b contour with 1/2” shank and finished at 22”, Jewell trigger and topped with a Swarovski Z3 4-12x50 scope. Yep, the alpine magnum has an elongated port.



I used a Pierce long action for a wildcat a couple years ago. I could not get the action to cycle while it was against my shoulder. The guy at Pierce told me to choke up on the bolt. I went to Sportsmans and tried several brands after that experience. I discovered Savage, Tikka, Weatherby Mark V six lug (the nine lug acted the same as the Pierce) and another I don't remember worked smoothly while keeping a sight picture. I disassembled the Pierce and sold the individual parts.

That Leupold VX-6 4-24X52 was sure a nice scope.

Edited to add: Borden doesn't do ti anymore.

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starman.may I ask your age and who raised you.need to know.i truly don't knor or want to know your issue with butch lambert.but he knows more about anything to do with rifles than you will ever learn.he has his opinions but is very well versed and knows what he speaks.as do so many on here.your just a ignorant jerk off.as I have learned reading the majority of your dribble.

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also for what its worth the lone peak titanium is the finest I have used.many fine stainless steel actions.none better machined or timed then a borden.

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I have an aquaintance that dearly overpaid for a 700 TI 308 when the market was on fire. I recall 2200 dollars at the time, he would get sick seeing you can buy the action for the Borden for nearly 1700 .

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when I was in business I assembled three rifles using the borden titanium action. I called them the cookie cutter rifles. all three for the same client and all in 7/08. for him, his son and a daughter. 2 right , one left, McMillan stocks, hart barrels, jewel triggers and leupold scopes. they all were accurate, reliable and light. they were nice actions to work with and no weird surprises.

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