During the Atlantic slave trade period (1500 to 1866), 40% of all captured African slaves went to Brazil, at the time controlled by Portugal. Brazil received more slaves than any other country. Brazil was the last country in the Western world to abolish slavery.
Slavery is alive in several Muslim nations as I type this. Sex Slaves are common. The same nations in Africa where the slaves then were acquired. Are some of the same places used by the rich Muslims today. Where is the outrage from the EU? UN?
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The anti American Constitutional party (Democrat). Wants to dismantle your rights, limiting every aspect of your constitutional rights. Death by 1000 cuts is the tactic. Each cut bleeds constitutional rights to control you. Control is the goal.
During the Atlantic slave trade period (1500 to 1866), 40% of all captured African slaves went to Brazil, at the time controlled by Portugal. Brazil received more slaves than any other country. Brazil was the last country in the Western world to abolish slavery.
The British colonies in North America received about 10% of the total.
An interesting read.
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And look at the chit hole Brazil has become . . .
"All that the South has ever desired was that the Union, as established by our forefathers, should be preserved, and that the government, as originally organized, should be administered in purity and truth." – Robert E. Lee
The Portuguese were the first slave traders. When they were exploring by sail the west coast of Africa, they found various black tribes dealing in black slaves captured in various tribal wars and raids. They bought them, took them to Portugal, and after awhile, began a steady business bringing up slaves from Africa and selling them all over the European continent, then in parts of South America, and the Caribbean.
The Arabs were very large into the slave trading business, also.
Left liberal "historians" have rewritten history to suit their purpose of blaming the United States for the slave trade.
L.W.
"Always go straight forward, and if you meet the devil, cut him in two and go between the pieces." (William Sturgis, clipper ship captain, 1830s.)
Sex slavery is alive and well, even in this country. I'm involved in a group that searches for missing and lost people. I've been hearing that the number of people who came up missing in the Myrtle Beach SC area was abnormally high for years. Then this shows up in October.
Kids, male and female are kidnapped, brainwashed and sold as sex slaves. Many end up overseas, but many stay here. It only takes a few weeks of this and most never try to get away. It becomes the only life they know.
The Brits were huge users of slaves in the West Indies sugar plantations. Many died there as well. Slavery is as old as mankind. Every culture in every country has used, captured or sold slaves. It's wide spread in the world today. For most of man's existence, it has been part of daily life. Like it or not.
As if there were never any slaves on this content before Columbus. Slavery is as old as mankind and occurred world wide. Why aren't the Romans ever chastised for their slavery? Even Christ told slaves to obey their masters. All these present day folks bitchin and moaning about slavery in the past, need to get over it, and move on.
Sugar was the reason the Atlantic slave trade developed, not cotton. Europeans had an unquenchable appetite for sugar & the new world’s main purpose was to supply it.
As if there were never any slaves on this content before Columbus. Slavery is as old as mankind. Why aren't the Romans ever chastised for their slavery? Even Christ told slaves to obey their masters. All these present day folks bitchin and moaning about slavery in the past, need to get over it, and move on.
Lots of people bitchin' and moaning about the past in general need to get over it and move on.
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wifes great something grand dad backed the wrong side in a scottish war and was shipped to massatwoshits as a slave. worked his way to freedom just in time for the revolution. was killed on the first day. didn't have to be black to be a slave
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Sugar was the reason the Atlantic slave trade developed, not cotton. Europeans had an unquenchable appetite for sugar & the new world’s main purpose was to supply it.
Yes. And the "plantation system" was developed in the sugar fields.
Sugar was the reason the Atlantic slave trade developed, not cotton. Europeans had an unquenchable appetite for sugar & the new world’s main purpose was to supply it.
Yes. And the "plantation system" was developed in the sugar fields.
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As a matter of fact, that is why the arrival of whites was tolerated by the western Indians. They welcomed a new source of victims. That never seems to work out very well.
The only thing worse than a liberal is a liberal that thinks they're a conservative.
Now wait a minute, something's wrong here. Everybody knows that the only slaves there have ever have been, are the ones that were brought here to this country. Jefferson Davis, Robert E. Lee, and Stonewall Jackson sailed across the Atlantic in ships flying the Confederate flag, and captured poor Black people who were living in mansions, and busy inventing such things as computers and live-saving medicines.
That is the reason that those Confederate memorials need to come down, and replaced with memorials to Blacks who invented all those great things.
And how many people did the Egyptians enslave to build the pyramids?
None. Egyptians were black, and as James said, in those days were using anti-gravity technology to move those big ass rocks to make their pyramids. No slaves were needed and besides slavery is racist and black people can't be racist. The story of Moses and the Exodus of the Hebrews from Egypt is of course a myth made up by white people.
I know this because I read it on a pamphlet some black fella in a suit and bow tie handed me at an intersection a few years ago while I was waiting on a red light.
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I've heard that's where the phrase "sold down the river" came from. When a slave was incorrigible or repeatedly tried to escape, they were sent down river, often ending up in Caribbean cane fields. The slave often had the impression that they were going to a better place, until they reached the cane fields where the temperature was brutal along with the work, not to mention the other maladies listed above.
Malnutrition and Malaria. The French business model in the Caribbean was work slaves to death in 3 years and import new ones.
Thanks for your reply and that’s along the lines of what I suspected. M&M was certainly not unique to slaves. Malnutrition and disease killed a lot of non slaves. Now with KFC, Popeyes and McDonald’s they’re moving up several weight classes but they’re still malnourished, uneducated and enslaved.
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The life expectancy of a slave in the Caribbean cane fields was about 2 to 3 years. Conditions were brutal and new slaves were cheap and plentiful.
What was the common cause of death for the Caribbean cane field slaves?
Malnutrition and over work without rest. They were trying to avoid a much feared slave rebellion. The best way was to keep them so weak that they couldn't fight. Replacements were cheap so killing them off made sense to them.
“In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” ― George Orwell
It's not over when you lose. It's over when you quit.
And how many people did the Egyptians enslave to build the pyramids?
None. Egyptians were black, and as James said, in those days were using anti-gravity technology to move those big ass rocks to make their pyramids. No slaves were needed and besides slavery is racist and black people can't be racist. The story of Moses and the Exodus of the Hebrews from Egypt is of course a myth made up by white people.
I know this because I read it on a pamphlet some black fella in a suit and bow tie handed me at an intersection a few years ago while I was waiting on a red light.
Saying the Egyptians were black, white, or any other color is saying more than the best experts know. They've been debating and testing it for centuries and they still don't know. Of course the blacks want them to be black but wanting it and making it so aren't in the cards. Egypt is the crossroads of black and white lands so quite possibly they were of mixed race...my theory and totally unproven.
“In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” ― George Orwell
It's not over when you lose. It's over when you quit.
I believe that there were many different subsets of the human race that had differences that were designed as such rather than divergent, evolutionary, off-shoots of a single model.
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No Sam, slavery was the 2nd worst. Not following the mohammedans example and making them unichs was the worst.
The Portuguese were the primary transporters for slaves. They were heavily involved in all aspects of the trade. There is open market slave trade in Libya as we speak. Must be the white mans fault.
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For generations, people have been trying to say that the Bible condones slavery. It doesn't. It treats it as a way of life until Jesus puts the argument to bed.. In the end, Jesus dealt with it in 1 very important statement: "Do to others as you would have them do to you." If you don't want to be treated like a slave, don't treat others like one.
“In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” ― George Orwell
It's not over when you lose. It's over when you quit.
And how many people did the Egyptians enslave to build the pyramids?
None. Egyptians were black, and as James said, in those days were using anti-gravity technology to move those big ass rocks to make their pyramids. No slaves were needed and besides slavery is racist and black people can't be racist. The story of Moses and the Exodus of the Hebrews from Egypt is of course a myth made up by white people.
I know this because I read it on a pamphlet some black fella in a suit and bow tie handed me at an intersection a few years ago while I was waiting on a red light.
Saying the Egyptians were black, white, or any other color is saying more than the best experts know. They've been debating and testing it for centuries and they still don't know. Of course the blacks want them to be black but wanting it and making it so aren't in the cards. Egypt is the crossroads of black and white lands so quite possibly they were of mixed race...my theory and totally unproven.
There were lots of pictures painted of the ancient Egyptians. Undoubtedly they varied in appearance, but the people in most of the pictures have reddish-brown skin. I used to live in Egypt and I saw people there who looked just like those in the ancient paintings. That suggests those ancient paintings were fairly representative.
For generations, people have been trying to say that the Bible condones slavery. It doesn't. It treats it as a way of life until Jesus puts the argument to bed.. In the end, Jesus dealt with it in 1 very important statement: "Do to others as you would have them do to you." If you don't want to be treated like a slave, don't treat others like one.
Not wishing to argue or squabble, but how does that square with things like war and crime and punishment?
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For generations, people have been trying to say that the Bible condones slavery. It doesn't. It treats it as a way of life until Jesus puts the argument to bed.. In the end, Jesus dealt with it in 1 very important statement: "Do to others as you would have them do to you." If you don't want to be treated like a slave, don't treat others like one.
Not wishing to argue or squabble, but how does that square with things like war and crime and punishment?
The Bible doesn't say you shall not kill. That's a translation problem. In the original Hebrew it says you shall not murder. It allows for war and punishment.
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It's not over when you lose. It's over when you quit.
Yes, Brazil got 10 times as many slaves as America. And, they ended the institution in 1873 without a Civil War. Just figured it was unworkable and went on their way. So, slavery was going to end in a few decades in America even without a Civil War.
My ancestors in Ireland and England, the Celts, were captured by Romans and taken back to Rome as slaves, many thousands of them.
The first black slaves were brought to America around 1650 to work rice paddies around Charleston. Didn't live long, malaria and yellow fever. The slaves on cotton plantations in 1830 usually had it pretty good, for slaves. But if they were a problem, they were "sold down the river" to work the sugar cane fields near New Orleans. Life expectancy there was 3 years.
I love these genius entrepeneurs in 1800, "Why pay Irish or Scottish laborers to pick cotton, when we can bring African slaves over, they will work for free. What could possibly go wrong?" What a disaster for our country African slavery has been, the result has been a ball and chain around the ankle of the American giant, a ball and chain that we will never free ourselves from.
Hell, at the start of the war Lincoln declared that free slaves could never live alongside whites and he shipped thousands of 'em back to Africa, to Liberia. Good start Abe I wish you had finished your work.
Slavery in the US was relatively benign compared to most slavery practiced elsewhere. It was up until that time the only place in the history of the world where the slave birth rate surpassed the death rate. Slaves increased greatly in population even after the slave trade was ended in 1808. As has been noted in this thread, that is in marked and stark contrast to slavery elsewhere in our hemisphere where slaves literally died in droves.
White Irish slaves built the dykes in New Orleans. Black slaves who were worked too hard complained they were being treated as the Irish.
Slavers at one time traveled the countryside in the UK kidnapping kids to sell as slaves. Their treatment and survival rate on slave ships was worse than the slaves from Africa. Most kids did not survive the trip.
Barbary Coast moslem pirates ranged the western coast of Africa and north to western Europe raiding and pillaging and taking slaves long before the slave trade to the Americas from Africa.
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If everyone was armed the slave trade would not be nearly so prosperous or prolific. It seems common that those on the left think planet earth is civilized. Delusional thinking in all regards.
I am..........disturbed.
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And how many people did the Egyptians enslave to build the pyramids?
None. Egyptians were black, and as James said, in those days were using anti-gravity technology to move those big ass rocks to make their pyramids. No slaves were needed and besides slavery is racist and black people can't be racist. The story of Moses and the Exodus of the Hebrews from Egypt is of course a myth made up by white people.
I know this because I read it on a pamphlet some black fella in a suit and bow tie handed me at an intersection a few years ago while I was waiting on a red light.
Saying the Egyptians were black, white, or any other color is saying more than the best experts know. They've been debating and testing it for centuries and they still don't know. Of course the blacks want them to be black but wanting it and making it so aren't in the cards. Egypt is the crossroads of black and white lands so quite possibly they were of mixed race...my theory and totally unproven.
Another interesting figure would be the percent of those captured and sent into slavery by their own race.
It was a tribal thing, capture and sell your enemies. Arabs were the brokers, dealt with Dutch and Portugese sailors.
There were more black slave OWNERS, yes, I wrote that correctly, in Louisiana than any other state. Early Spanish and French settlers often had black concubines, produced half blood offspring who inherited large plantations. One was considered black with only a small percentage of African blood, half and quarter easily made the cut. There's a population of these folks still here, many with considerable land holdings, a number are professionals; teachers, professors, lawyers, judges, physicians, surgeons, etc... Spanish and French surnames are very common.
That's not P.C., may not fit the narrative, but it's history.
And how many people did the Egyptians enslave to build the pyramids?
None. Egyptians were black, and as James said, in those days were using anti-gravity technology to move those big ass rocks to make their pyramids. No slaves were needed and besides slavery is racist and black people can't be racist. The story of Moses and the Exodus of the Hebrews from Egypt is of course a myth made up by white people.
I know this because I read it on a pamphlet some black fella in a suit and bow tie handed me at an intersection a few years ago while I was waiting on a red light.
Saying the Egyptians were black, white, or any other color is saying more than the best experts know. They've been debating and testing it for centuries and they still don't know. Of course the blacks want them to be black but wanting it and making it so aren't in the cards. Egypt is the crossroads of black and white lands so quite possibly they were of mixed race...my theory and totally unproven.
DNA can reveal skin color
Here's a good article from the Smithsonian about ancient DNA testing. It's only been in the last couple years that they've been able to test without contamination. This was written about a year ago so it doesn't say what's happened since then. Hair can only reveal mitocondial DNA unless the root is present and intact. This says they're getting better results from teeth and bones. SMITHSONIAN
I did a search on 'ancient egypt DNA' and got a real mixture of answers, enough to know that much of the testing has been wrong. There are arguments all over the place on race and I suspect that much of it is just trying to prove someone's hypothesis. One article 'proved' that they all had black kinky hair but mummification turned a lot of it red or blond.
“In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” ― George Orwell
It's not over when you lose. It's over when you quit.
And how many people did the Egyptians enslave to build the pyramids?
None. Egyptians were black, and as James said, in those days were using anti-gravity technology to move those big ass rocks to make their pyramids. No slaves were needed and besides slavery is racist and black people can't be racist. The story of Moses and the Exodus of the Hebrews from Egypt is of course a myth made up by white people.
I know this because I read it on a pamphlet some black fella in a suit and bow tie handed me at an intersection a few years ago while I was waiting on a red light.
Saying the Egyptians were black, white, or any other color is saying more than the best experts know. They've been debating and testing it for centuries and they still don't know. Of course the blacks want them to be black but wanting it and making it so aren't in the cards. Egypt is the crossroads of black and white lands so quite possibly they were of mixed race...my theory and totally unproven.
DNA can reveal skin color
Here's a good article from the Smithsonian about ancient DNA testing. It's only been in the last couple years that they've been able to test without contamination. This was written about a year ago so it doesn't say what's happened since then. Hair can only reveal mitocondial DNA unless the root is present and intact. This says they're getting better results from teeth and bones. SMITHSONIAN
I did a search on 'ancient egypt DNA' and got a real mixture of answers, enough to know that much of the testing has been wrong. There are arguments all over the place on race and I suspect that much of it is just trying to prove someone's hypothesis. One article 'proved' that they all had black kinky hair but mummification turned a lot of it red or blond.
The rest of Northern Africa is not black, just seems logical that the Egyptias were about the same as the people that live there now. Wasn't Moses raised as an Egyptian? Jews are not black.
Moses was raised as an Egyptian but nothing in the Bible indicates that they didn't know he was Hebrew. Pharaoh's daughter adopted him and she knew very well who he was. Many theories say that the farther south you go in Egypt, the more black influence there was. Theories.
“In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” ― George Orwell
It's not over when you lose. It's over when you quit.
Those nobLE redmen tortured, raped and kilt their slaves at will also.
And guess what, nebassman and djs, the noble warriors didnt rape the male slaves, either, as it was considered quueeer ( and fughked up too).
I heard the traditional Lakota war cry “Hoka hey” is a contraction of a phrase in Lakota that translates to “We’ll fugg you up the a$$”. I am not making that up. Also, homosexual rape was one of the torments the 17th Century Mohawks inflicted upon the French Jesuit priests sent among them.
Some Indians liked that sort of thing , prob’ly most did not.
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Chuck, I really am not trying to be obstinate or argumentative, but should we not punish if we don't want to be punished ourselves?
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5sdad- same sentiment here, no argumentative tone implied, My take on not wanting to be punished is that there has to be consequences for breaking the rule of treating others as you would have them treat you. The perpetrator has nullified his acceptance of that rule by transgressing against another - not the policer of the law. For example, I would no want to be whipped for stealing- so I wouldn't steal. Simple as that. Jesus was clear on obeying the law and disciples were all too aware on consequences of breaking it. In Acts 5:1 for example Ananais and his wife lied about the profits made from selling a field and God killed them for it. Not how I might handle it but.....not about to argue with the Almighty.
"I believe that there were many different subsets of the human race that had differences that were designed as such rather than divergent, evolutionary, off-shoots of a single model."
So no Adam and Eve and\or no missing link ? I guess you might look at it as multiple Adam and Eve's ? I think I get what you are saying just trying to see it all the way through my thick head.
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Yes, slavery was widespread among the American Indians. A band of Comanche warriors might go on a raid, they might find a camp of Apache, and usually the Comanche would prevail. They would kill all the babies. Children of 5 or 6 years old would be taken back to the Comanche camp, not as slaves, but to be raised as full fledged Comanches. If an adult male was captured and not killed on the spot, he was taken back to the Comanche camp and tortured to death by the squaws.
But, the worst fate was for an adult captive female. She would be raped every night by five or six warriors. She had no rights, a Comanche dog had more rights that a captive female slave. She would be handed over to the women and she would be given the most difficult and nastiest chores around the camp. If a squaw got mad at her, she might slice off the slave's nose, or ears, there would be no recrimination, after all, you don't need a nose to screw, or to haul firewood. Comanche squaws might just stick burning sticks into her cheeks and arms and burn her up a little.
Several white females were returned to civilization after some years as Comanche slaves and they told horror stories of life as a slave, usually they would be missing their nose or an ear, and be horribly scarred. A Comanche slave had it worse than just about any other person who has ever lived on the earth.
Slavery is alive in several Muslim nations as I type this. Sex Slaves are common. The same nations in Africa where the slaves then were acquired. Are some of the same places used by the rich Muslims today. Where is the outrage from the EU? UN?
Their focus is, and will always be, on the US: the great satan to a failed and jealous world.
We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?
Immersing oneself in progressive lieberalism is no different than bathing in the sewage of Hell.
Perhaps multiple Adam and Eves, only one pair of which were documented in order to save space? Each pair could have evolved over time into the present configuration of the model? As to the "do unto others" question; I see what you are saying and it is pretty much the way I see it as well - I guess what I was trying to clarify there was that so often people over-simplify such things and make them an absolute when there is much more to it, as you point out. I'm trying to penetrate the thickness of my skull as well. Best, John
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During the Atlantic slave trade period (1500 to 1866), 40% of all captured African slaves went to Brazil, at the time controlled by Portugal. Brazil received more slaves than any other country. Brazil was the last country in the Western world to abolish slavery.
How can anyone guess how many slaves were used to build the pyramids when they have no idea exactly when they were built or what techniques were used?
There are records that give the approximate dates for almost all of the pyramids. Maybe not the day of the week, but within a few years.
Archaeologists have dug up the worker's communities around the pyramids. The analysis of those digs gives a pretty accurate estimate of the worker populations.
As to the techniques, there are as many plausible theories as there are archaeologists. Perhaps more than one engineering technique was used.
Ed
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Malnutrition and Malaria. The French business model in the Caribbean was work slaves to death in 3 years and import new ones.
Thanks for your reply and that’s along the lines of what I suspected. M&M was certainly not unique to slaves. Malnutrition and disease killed a lot of non slaves. Now with KFC, Popeyes and McDonald’s they’re moving up several weight classes but they’re still malnourished, uneducated and enslaved.
And Yellow Fever..
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
The story goes that the narcotic varieties of marijuana (as opposed to hemp which was grown all over) were introduced to the Caribbean to stupify the slaves and make them more docile while they were being worked to death.
"...if the gentlemen of Virginia shall send us a dozen of their sons, we would take great care in their education, instruct them in all we know, and make men of them." Canasatego 1744
The story goes that the narcotic varieties of marijuana (as opposed to hemp which was grown all over) were introduced to the Caribbean to stupify the slaves and make them more docile while they were being worked to death.
Well, it appears to not only have worked, but lingered on...
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
Emperor Haile Selassie was of royal lineage by birth. Although he was of the Ethiopian Orthodox Christian faith, reportedly his royal roots went back to the descendant of King Solomon and the Queen of Sheba, thus the Solomonic Dynasty. One of his titles was Lion of the Tribe of Judah.
During the Atlantic slave trade period (1500 to 1866), 40% of all captured African slaves went to Brazil, at the time controlled by Portugal. Brazil received more slaves than any other country. Brazil was the last country in the Western world to abolish slavery.
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