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Arthur Savage detested the Winchester company? Let's just say they had issues at the 1896 New York National Guard trials.. It didn't come to blows, but sounded close. Sept. 1896... ![[Linked Image]](https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/gallery/80/full/68557.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/gallery/80/full/68558.jpg)
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They claim they have evidence to show that favoritism was exercised in the test which led to it's selection.
Like what? I wonder what they could do with the Savage that they couldn't do with the others and how that was somehow favoritism. The use of pointy bullets maybe?
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Savage was the only company from New York. They accused the state of loading the panel with people who favored Savage, and even of tailoring the requrements to the exact specs of the 1895.
So, yes.. Winchester and others sued to stop New York from buying the guns and it was a scandal. New York didn't buy the guns, though can't be sure it would have even if the companies hadn't sued.
But during the trials, I believe the Winchester rep grabbed the Savage rifle and slammed a cartridge into the breech attempting to show how easy it could jam. Arthur Savage in return picked up one of the Winchester 1895 trial rifles and shoved a cartridge in it so hard that it took a long time with tools to get it unjammed. People separated them to keep it from escalating.
“ The Savage 99 Pocket Reference”. All models and variations of 1895’s, 1899’s and 99’s covered. Also dates, checkering, engraving.. Find at www.savagelevers.com
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Savage was the only company from New York. They accused the state of loading the panel with people who favored Savage, and even of tailoring the requrements to the exact specs of the 1895.
So, yes.. Winchester and others sued to stop New York from buying the guns and it was a scandal. New York didn't buy the guns, though can't be sure it would have even if the companies hadn't sued.
But during the trials, I believe the Winchester rep grabbed the Savage rifle and slammed a cartridge into the breech attempting to show how easy it could jam. Arthur Savage in return picked up one of the Winchester 1895 trial rifles and shoved a cartridge in it so hard that it took a long time with tools to get it unjammed. People separated them to keep it from escalating. That's interesting. So the panel was from New York, the Savage company was from New York, and because they wanted to keep the business at home and actually help New York, where they are from, the whiners cried foul. I think they call that buying local nowadays! Last I knew it was encouraged!
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The long and short of it was the New York National Guard got leftover single shot black powder Springfields free from the U.S. Government and got their butts handed to them in Cuba when they went up against the Spanish who were armed with Mauser repeaters shooting smokeless powder. Might we say Winchester's whining cost the lives of some Americans? David
wyo1895 With Savage never say never. For a copy of my book on engraved Savage lever actions rifles send a check for $80 to; David Royal, p.o. box 1271, Pinedale, Wy., 82941. I will sign and inscribe the book for you. [email protected]
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The long and short of it was the New York National Guard got leftover single shot black powder Springfields free from the U.S. Government and got their butts handed to them in Cuba when they went up against the Spanish who were armed with Mauser repeaters shooting smokeless powder. Might we say Winchester's whining cost the lives of some Americans? David There was a movie about that battle. Don't remember the name of it now. That's a very sad story.
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The long and short of it was the New York National Guard got leftover single shot black powder Springfields free from the U.S. Government and got their butts handed to them in Cuba when they went up against the Spanish who were armed with Mauser repeaters shooting smokeless powder. Might we say Winchester's whining cost the lives of some Americans? David Winchester and others, they weren't the only ones who sued. Just think of what the market would be like now if they'd sold 20,000 muskets and SRC's to the NY Guard. Muskets for everybody!! 
“ The Savage 99 Pocket Reference”. All models and variations of 1895’s, 1899’s and 99’s covered. Also dates, checkering, engraving.. Find at www.savagelevers.com
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Muskets? We don't need no steenking muskets!
However, I would like one of those SRC's.
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I think I'm with you on that point. 
Savage...never say "never".
Rick...
Join the NRA...together we stand, divided we fall!
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