Hoping one of you guys with a K could make a pencil rub of the engraving for me? That coupled with a few pictures I think it could be copied? Other older styles of engraving are interesting as well.
I thought during mud season there may be some time for such shananongons ?
Thanks Chris
What you have done is not nearly as important as how you have done it!!! The Old Fart 2008 A.D.
Steve'r engraved a couple in the earlier higher level designs that looked very nice.
A note on the K engraving: -the side design changed in size and pattern over time. -they appear to have been made in small groups with like design. -the sides and receiver ring followed a pattern while the other areas were more free hand with more variation. -if adding an additional brl to a K the front edge of the receiver ring should be of the same pattern as on the adjoining brl edge.
Are you looking for a design for a defined serial range or just anything "K"?
Savage...never say "never". Rick...
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Rick, I do remember Steve's engraving it did come out very well. I think any K would be fine or for that matter any savage 1899 engraving . I have been watching for a drilled and tapped one to hunt with but they bring more money that I want to spend on one. There is a kid at the shop that engraves that could easily pull it off with a pattern. So I guess I am interested in all of them?
On the subject , who here purchased what I call the lion rifle? Not sure of the engraving style but plane wood highly engraved with a lion on the side. Sold on gunbroker a number of years back, I have seen it pictured here since.
Thanks Chris
What you have done is not nearly as important as how you have done it!!! The Old Fart 2008 A.D.
Here are a few pictures of a rifle he did more than 4 years ago for me (time flies) This was his third engraved firearm I goated him into signing it for me should have had him number it as well. His talent has improved. I should probably finish this rifle up.
A note on the K engraving: -the side design changed in size and pattern over time. -they appear to have been made in small groups with like design. -the sides and receiver ring followed a pattern while the other areas were more free hand with more variation. -if adding an additional brl to a K the front edge of the receiver ring should be of the same pattern as on the adjoining brl edge.
99K's date from ~1926/7 - 1940. Tue died in 1926, other Tues that worked at Savage were his brother James who left in 1905 and died in 1915 at Rock Island and his nephew William who did both checking and engraving among other jobs at Savage. It is possible he was still engraving in 1926, but, William was selling insurance in 1930 and moved to CA in 1940.
William Gough came to Savage with the purchase of A.H. Fox Co. ~1930. His brother Harold and son Alfred came from Fox as well and were both engravers. William setup a private shop early on in Utica and continued engraving for other gun manufacturers as well as Savage.
It is not yet clear if Savage retained "in-house" engravers during this time and/or hired contract engravers per order. It it likely that several different engravers did 99K's over the life of the rifle. Could have been William Gough himself or could have been a member of his shop which is reported to have numbered ~20 people.
This could explain variations in style for the same pattern and give credibility to small batch production.
My 1928 K has shallower engraving than the 1930 K I sold some time ago. They are shown in Fig. 5-26, p. 73 of my book. The above info sheds some light on this. With my knowledge of the subject at the time (2014) I said maybe they were done by different people at Gough's shop. The above info indicates the 1928 may have been done by William Tue or ? and the 1930 K by Gough or some of his people.
wyo1895 With Savage never say never. For a copy of my book on engraved Savage lever actions rifles send a check for $80 to; David Royal, p.o. box 1271, Pinedale, Wy., 82941. I will sign and inscribe the book for you. [email protected]
My 1928 K has shallower engraving than the 1930 K I sold some time ago. They are shown in Fig. 5-26, p. 73 of my book. The above info sheds some light on this. With my knowledge of the subject at the time (2014) I said maybe they were done by different people at Gough's shop. The above info indicates the 1928 may have been done by William Tue or ? and the 1930 K by Gough or some of his people.
Yea, who was engraving during the 1920's is still a little fuzzy. Enoch Tue was still alive and engraving I believe privately as late as 1924/5. The heyday of gun engraving for manufactuer's was interrupted by WWI. The "Enoch Tue" style was a light English style vs. deeper Germanic styles. William (Harold/Harry) Tue could possibly have been involved as his style would likely have been English, but I have a sense he was doing other things after WWI. I can document William at Savage from 1910-1917.
The 1930-40 years are pretty likely the Gough/Gough shop years.
The engraving on my K is so shallow I don't think a rubbing would show anything.
wyo1895 With Savage never say never. For a copy of my book on engraved Savage lever actions rifles send a check for $80 to; David Royal, p.o. box 1271, Pinedale, Wy., 82941. I will sign and inscribe the book for you. [email protected]
JMO but I think your engraver friend would be better served to generate his own patterns from high resolution photos rather than a pencil rub. Photos show the base design, scrolling, detailing, background, stippling, etc. where as a pencil rub would not. Page 72 of David's book shows most of the engraved surfaces of a 99k. Once he has photos, they can be scaled and placed on a light table/window for tracing. The engraver can do discretionary work based on available tools, skill level and taste. The "real" 99K's had variations as well. Best I can do. I don't have a K. Good luck.
