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Personally I don't give a flying fugg about Chouinard or his politics. I do care about keeping public lands public, and keeping the fraction of them that are roadless, roadless.

If any of you geniuses can name an organization that more effectively advocates toward those ends, I'm all ears.



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Originally Posted by JSTUART


And here is another question, do you pack your excrement out with you?


After all, you may as well go all the way.


On some public lands in the West, that is required. Take a rocket box and a bottle of Chlorox. Not really a big deal. you need to get out more.

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Personally I don't give a flying fugg about Chouinard or his politics. I do care about keeping public lands public, and keeping the fraction of them that are roadless, roadless.

If any of you geniuses can name an organization that more effectively advocates toward those ends, I'm all ears.


But you probably should. Yvon and Patagonia made a big deal out of sponsoring Buffalo Fields campaign when the state of Montana started the annual bison hunt outside Yellowstone. The biology was sound and the hunt helped bring in more funds for state coffers but Yvon and co. would have none of it. They had their paid goons disrupt activities of law abiding citizens partaking in legal hunts.

So, yes, politics do matter.


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So you can't name a more effective advocate for public and roadless lands than BHA, got it.

Compared to that big picture issue, a single disrupted buffalo hunt is but a transient blip to all but those directly affected.

And if I had been affected, I'd be pissed at Chouinard, not an organization that wasn't involved.



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Originally Posted by smokepole
So you can't name a more effective advocate for public and roadless lands than BHA, got it.


"You say that as if I owe you an answer, which I don't."

Smoke, Buzz commented earlier about the work he and his fellow local bha members did to maintain hunting access in the Laramie area (?), and that's good. But was BHA really necessary for them to get the job done? Did BHA send them funds they just couldn't do without in order to accomplish the task? I doubt it. I have found that if people really care about a subject, such as protecting public lands, they do just as much or more good by getting local grassroots support without depending on outside sources, especially those with questionable political standing.

I don't need to name "a more effective advocate for public and roadless lands than BHA" even if it existed because we as individuals can get a lot done on our own at the local level if we think it important enough. Don't forget, the public lands employees/officials in your area of interest live there too and must deal with the local populous on a daily basis. That local populous has a lot more sway than the guv officials want to admit.


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That local populous has much more sway when it's organized and a voting bloc.

And PS, no you don't owe me an answer. But I guarantee if you had one, you'd give it. So the non-answer is an answer, just not one that you like to admit to.



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So you can't name a more effective advocate for public and roadless lands than BHA, got it.


"You say that as if I owe you an answer, which I don't."

Smoke, Buzz commented earlier about the work he and his fellow local bha members did to maintain hunting access in the Laramie area (?), and that's good. But was BHA really necessary for them to get the job done? Did BHA send them funds they just couldn't do without in order to accomplish the task? I doubt it. I have found that if people really care about a subject, such as protecting public lands, they do just as much or more good by getting local grassroots support without depending on outside sources, especially those with questionable political standing.

I don't need to name "a more effective advocate for public and roadless lands than BHA" even if it existed because we as individuals can get a lot done on our own at the local level if we think it important enough. Don't forget, the public lands employees/officials in your area of interest live there too and must deal with the local populous on a daily basis. That local populous has a lot more sway than the guv officials want to admit.


So, how much have YOU done? smokepole has a point.

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Originally Posted by smokepole
Personally I don't give a flying fugg about Chouinard or his politics. I do care about keeping public lands public, and keeping the fraction of them that are roadless, roadless.

If any of you geniuses can name an organization that more effectively advocates toward those ends, I'm all ears.


I see, sounds like there aren't any great stories.....maybe because he doesn't really hunt?? GASP!

RMEF is one. They actually tell you where and to whom their money (your dues) go to.

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Originally Posted by smokepole
That local populous has much more sway when it's organized and a voting bloc.

And PS, no you don't owe me an answer. But I guarantee if you had one, you'd give it. So the non-answer is an answer, just not one that you like to admit to.



You're right, so organize your own local group and create your own voting block.
And you'd be more effective too.


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I'm a back country hunter and (not so much) angler in real life.

Looked into these folks and decided they are elitists - not for me.

YMMV and have at it.

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Originally Posted by LeroyBeans
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Originally Posted by smokepole
So you can't name a more effective advocate for public and roadless lands than BHA, got it.


"You say that as if I owe you an answer, which I don't."

Smoke, Buzz commented earlier about the work he and his fellow local bha members did to maintain hunting access in the Laramie area (?), and that's good. But was BHA really necessary for them to get the job done? Did BHA send them funds they just couldn't do without in order to accomplish the task? I doubt it. I have found that if people really care about a subject, such as protecting public lands, they do just as much or more good by getting local grassroots support without depending on outside sources, especially those with questionable political standing.

I don't need to name "a more effective advocate for public and roadless lands than BHA" even if it existed because we as individuals can get a lot done on our own at the local level if we think it important enough. Don't forget, the public lands employees/officials in your area of interest live there too and must deal with the local populous on a daily basis. That local populous has a lot more sway than the guv officials want to admit.


So, how much have YOU done? smokepole has a point.



On a different front, but by speaking out at a town meeting on school security issues I, all by my little lonesome in not so many words called BS on school "security" to our superintendents face and got the ball rolling in creating a safety and security committee which spent several months working on better security at our local schools. By doing so the group got the school dist. to work with law enforcement in adding another RO and create more stringent protocols for active shooter/intruder situations. Still not enough but more than what was being done before. Didn't need the NRA or anyone else, just stood up and took a stand.

So how about YOU?


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Well, for a few weeks a few years ago, I had an unobtrusive piece handy in a technically (District policy) "gun-free" school, as the situation seemed to call for it. I suspect- but never asked - that the Principal (a former Miss Alaska) also did.... she didn't take kindly to anyone f'kin with our kids...or the school. She is a hunter/ NRA member also.

At the time, it seemed the thing to do. What they don't know, don't make a chit of difference... Or it might.

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Originally Posted by LeroyBeans
Originally Posted by JSTUART


And here is another question, do you pack your excrement out with you?


After all, you may as well go all the way.


On some public lands in the West, that is required. Take a rocket box and a bottle of Chlorox. Not really a big deal. you need to get out more.



I live in Australia, you [bleep] wanker.


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Gwooone...and you said you weren't a liberal, you fibber you.


Yeah. That's me alright. A liberal. laugh

You remind me of this guy....



This ain't Dodge City, and you ain't Bill Hickok... grin



I wish i had a fraction of his acting ability and a goodly portion of his bank account.


That man can really act.


Could act.

He's dead.



And still has more acting ability than I, probably a better bank balance as well.


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Originally Posted by JSTUART
Originally Posted by LeroyBeans
Originally Posted by JSTUART


And here is another question, do you pack your excrement out with you?


After all, you may as well go all the way.


On some public lands in the West, that is required. Take a rocket box and a bottle of Chlorox. Not really a big deal. you need to get out more.



I live in Australia, you [bleep] wanker.


I know, yet you claim to be an expert on pretty much everything American. Maybe you need to get out more.

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Originally Posted by LeroyBeans


I know, yet you claim to be an expert on pretty much everything American. Maybe you need to get out more.



You are a liar, I claim no such expertise.

But I do know lying low life pieces of [bleep] and you are most definitely one of those.


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Originally Posted by JSTUART
Originally Posted by LeroyBeans


I know, yet you claim to be an expert on pretty much everything American. Maybe you need to get out more.



You are a liar, I claim no such expertise.

But I do know lying low life pieces of [bleep] and you are most definitely one of those.


Whatever crybaby. You are definitely a whiner too. Not only do you know all about America, you know all about me too. Now, where did I lie?

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Originally Posted by LeroyBeans
Originally Posted by JSTUART
Originally Posted by LeroyBeans


I know, yet you claim to be an expert on pretty much everything American. Maybe you need to get out more.



You are a liar, I claim no such expertise.

But I do know lying low life pieces of [bleep] and you are most definitely one of those.


Whatever crybaby. You are definitely a whiner too. Not only do you know all about America, you know all about me too. Now, where did I lie?



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Originally Posted by JSTUART
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Originally Posted by JSTUART
Originally Posted by LeroyBeans


I know, yet you claim to be an expert on pretty much everything American. Maybe you need to get out more.



You are a liar, I claim no such expertise.

But I do know lying low life pieces of [bleep] and you are most definitely one of those.


Whatever crybaby. You are definitely a whiner too. Not only do you know all about America, you know all about me too. Now, where did I lie?



Of course you do. that's what you do here.

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