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I'm looking for a reduced load for my 358 NM.
I would like to load it down to around 2500 fps with a 220 grain Speer FP.
I have 7 loading manuals and they are all pretty worthless for reduced loads in this caliber
Or maybe I'll just load down a 250 Hornady sp to around 2500, that info I have.
trying do get a reduced recoil load for deer out to 150 yards or so
I only have two big game rifles, this one and a 300 win mag
TIA
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I'm looking for a reduced load for my 358 NM.
I would like to load it down to around 2500 fps with a 220 grain Speer FP.
I have 7 loading manuals and they are all pretty worthless for reduced loads in this caliber
Or maybe I'll just load down a 250 Hornady sp to around 2500, that info I have.
trying do get a reduced recoil load for deer out to 150 yards or so
I only have two big game rifles, this one and a 300 win mag
TIA I didn't find nuthin neither: You could try the data for a low-end 200 grain load, OR 250 grain load data, and chronograph it? I shouldn't think it would be unsafe. Anyways, the reason I posted about this is I like your idea. Although, I haven't shot anything with it, I did something similar with my 338, using Nosler 180 grain Ballistic Tips, (Unfortunately no longer made) I thought it would make a great Deer hunting load, with less recoil than my usual 250s. At the least, they will be great for off-hand practice, and familiarity with the rifle. I made some cast bullet loads for that purpose too. Smitty of the North
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Hornady shows a starting load of 58.7 grains of H-4895 giving 2600 fps with their 200 grain spire point. That might do what you want with the 220 Speer. The data goes much higher than that with 250s so it should be OK with the 220. Also Hodgdon recommends H-4895 for this kind of work as youth loads in a variety of cartridges.
In Handloader No.203, the infamous B-29 issue, Ken Waters had an article Loading Big Game Bullets for Deer. There he cited a load of 56 grains of IMR-4064 under a 225 Speer as giving 2435 fps from a 338 Win. magnum. He was out to duplicate 358 Win. ballistics. The 338 and your 358 magnum are very close in capacity, bore size and case configuration so you're in a similar situation. I'd go with the H-4895 though.
Also, some on these boards have reported good results using magnum primers in this type of load.
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Lyman shows a 247 grain cast bullet load using Unique starting load 15.0 grains for 1436 F.P.S. and a top load of 19.0 grains for 1658 F.P.S.
velvetant, what kind of .358 Norma do you have?
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Hodgdon's 4895 powder sucks for reduced loads.. because of its accuracy is hit or miss...
Remington is using IMR 4198 in their managed recoil loads...
if you want to run an MV of about 2500 fps with that bullet...
If you have a chronograph, as all rifles vary, start with a load of about 33 grains of IMR 4198.. use a standard large rifle primer and NO filler is needed...work your way up.. about 44 grains will be max load for pressure reasons..but will probably be over, the desired velocity you want...IMR 4198 will have accuracy consistency all over H 4895....
Two other powders that work well with reduced loads without sacrificing accuracy is RL 7 and SR 4759.. with RL 7, look in the 35 to 40 grain range for the desired velocity you wished for above...
With SR 4759, start at about 35 grains.. once again, larger rifle primer works fine....SR 4759 will probably be the most accurate of the bunch.. but all 3 will consistently run circles around H 4895...
H 4895, can produce some tack driving loads, but then go up or down a grain and it will throw them all over the place.. IMR 4198, RL 7 and SR 4759 won't do that....
Recoil with these will be substantially below that of slower powders such as 4064, 4895, RL 15 etc....
Less recoil may also make them more accurate for the shooter, as they will not be as recoil sensitive...
hope that might help ya out some! best of luck..
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Hodgdon's 4895 powder sucks for reduced loads.. because of its accuracy is hit or miss...
Remington is using IMR 4198 in their managed recoil loads...
if you want to run an MV of about 2500 fps with that bullet...
If you have a chronograph, as all rifles vary, start with a load of about 33 grains of IMR 4198.. use a standard large rifle primer and NO filler is needed...work your way up.. about 44 grains will be max load for pressure reasons..but will probably be over, the desired velocity you want...IMR 4198 will have accuracy consistency all over H 4895....
Two other powders that work well with reduced loads without sacrificing accuracy is RL 7 and SR 4759.. with RL 7, look in the 35 to 40 grain range for the desired velocity you wished for above...
With SR 4759, start at about 35 grains.. once again, larger rifle primer works fine....SR 4759 will probably be the most accurate of the bunch.. but all 3 will consistently run circles around H 4895...
H 4895, can produce some tack driving loads, but then go up or down a grain and it will throw them all over the place.. IMR 4198, RL 7 and SR 4759 won't do that....
Recoil with these will be substantially below that of slower powders such as 4064, 4895, RL 15 etc....
Less recoil may also make them more accurate for the shooter, as they will not be as recoil sensitive...
hope that might help ya out some! best of luck..
cheers
seafire
I use SR 4759 in my reduced loads for my 22-250 ( I got tired of replacing barrels every other year) so I'll give that stuff a try Thanks Seafire and thanks everyone else
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Lyman shows a 247 grain cast bullet load using Unique starting load 15.0 grains for 1436 F.P.S. and a top load of 19.0 grains for 1658 F.P.S.
velvetant, what kind of .358 Norma do you have?
It's a custom build Ruger M77 markII action/#5 contour Shilen barrel/HS precision stock/Leupold scope. My rig weighs in at 9 3/4 pounds hunt ready. This beast is very accurate, 5/8" 3 shot groups@ 100 yards but I have noticed my groups will open up if I don't clean it every 15 shots.
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Love those .35s... I have a Whelen .35 Ackley that is the most accurate rifle I have ever owned.... just a punched out factory tube too. I just picked up a .358 wincheter.... a vanguard rebarreled by Shaw. I have pondered changing a Model 70 .300 Win. into a .358 Norma.... Let us know how your load development goes!
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My Ruger started out as a 300 Win mag. If it started as a 30/06 or similar bolt face I would of went with the 35 Whelen AI in a heart beat. I won't be doing any load development until all this damn snow melts 
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Can't help with that level of load, but if you really want to make it a pussycat, load 12-15 gr of unique under a 150-200 gr cast pistol bullet. My 350 Rigby, essentially same capacity as the norma, dotes on 14 gr unique under a 200 gr cast bullet. A 10 shot string was 1400 fps with an extreme spread of 10 fps. 50 yd groups are right around 1". Few things are more fun that something that has the recoil of a big 22 rf, and you can hear the bullet wack at longer ranges.
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