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Originally Posted by Windfall
The torque converter on an automatic helps a whole bunch too. "Ol Blue" was a cab and a half F-150 with the 5 liter (302) with a 5 speed manual and 3.5:1 rear end. It was totally worthless for low end torque and for pulling something.


Agreed. I had the same rig in dark red. 1995 model. Pulled a boat OK. Tried to pull a ~20' camper owned by dad's buddy once. I was in 3rd gear on the hills in ND. I have no idea how I would've gotten that thing up/over Bozeman pass if we'd actually gone elk hunting that fall.

I had an '05 F-150 w/5.4L and 4-spd auto and 3.73's. Tried to pull an empty 16' enclosed trailer into a 25+ MPH wind @ 75MPH on the Interstate once. Wouldn't do it even w/OD locked out, kept surging. Had to back down to 65 and kept OD locked out.

I will say that with reasonable loads at reasonable speeds both my '01 F-150 w/5.4L and '05 w/same were pretty fool-proof pullers and I can't say that I felt "under-trucked" with them. I don't think I ever pulled anything heavier than 6k-6500# with either of them though. Just lock out OD and go.

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I pulled a 5'x8' enclosed utility trailer w/ about 2000-2200 total weight all over the west w/ my 4wd 4runner. Absolutely no problems uphill or down. Towed w/ ease and was stable even in the wind.


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Originally Posted by Dutch
It's hard to call any of the new full four door pickup trucks "trucks". Comfy for four good sized passengers, really decent fuel economy, but no payload to speak of, and only enough room in the bed for a shoe-box if you use a shoe horn......


The payload is far higher than trucks of the 70's, 80's, and 90's.


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Originally Posted by Windfall
The torque converter on an automatic helps a whole bunch too. "Ol Blue" was a cab and a half F-150 with the 5 liter (302) with a 5 speed manual and 3.5:1 rear end. It was totally worthless for low end torque and for pulling something. My neighbor has the same old 5 liter in his large van only with an automatic transmission and he towed his very large like 26 foot travel trailer out to the east coast and back. He isn't real mechanical, so he probably didn't know that he shouldn't have pulled that much with that van, but he did and it did it. Low end torque is why I got the 5.4 engine and the six speed automatic in my next F-150.



Well the "new" 5.0 is nothing like the old one and will pull anything just fine that doesn't require a 3/4 ton or bigger truck.


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Originally Posted by tzone
Originally Posted by Dutch
It's hard to call any of the new full four door pickup trucks "trucks". Comfy for four good sized passengers, really decent fuel economy, but no payload to speak of, and only enough room in the bed for a shoe-box if you use a shoe horn......


The payload is far higher than trucks of the 70's, 80's, and 90's.


Tried hauling 60 small square bales of hay in one?

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Well "Thirsty" has four doors and a 6.5' box and it won't fit in the garage if the trailer hitch is on. It is one l-o-n-g F-150. Actually that aluminum 5x8' aluminum utility trailer gets most of my carrying chores and there isn't much that I can't carry with that trailer hooked up to the V-6 Buick. I've had an 8' box and a 6 3/4' box and this 6 1/2'.. Standard on those four door trucks is the 5 1/2' and they fit in garages and have a shorter turning radius, but I didn't want to go that short.


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Wife and son have had good luck with 4runners.

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