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Don't worry about MV, look at what it is when it impacts...
3100 MV and a BT can turn into 2700-800 in less than a few hundred yards....
I like my BT's to impact under 2900 and I'd not performance is much more erratic...
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whitearrow,
Yeah, it's a blast (literally) to shoot a bunch of different stuff with expanding big game bullets!
However, my reliance on newspaper comes from several years of trying different kinds of "media," including bones, ballistic gelatin, wax, etc. etc. So far I haven't found anything else that provides as good a prediction of weight retention and relative penetration when hitting heavy bone in actual animals. I always reserve my final judgment on field results, but so far results from DRY newspaper have never let me down.
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![[Linked Image]](http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w84/pharmseller/image_zpslnsxymsu.jpeg) Same load, different Tikka ![[Linked Image]](http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w84/pharmseller/image_zpspzthgbvw.jpeg) 3100+, not bad. p. I’m Thnx Pharm. I’ve gotta try that. Jerry
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Was the "not so good" results with the older BTs?
The new 120 "Hunting BT" in 6.5 and 7mm hold together just about perfect for me. I have not recovered on yet and
animals quite dead.
I go for the heart and/or lungs and like for them to run 50 yards or so to let the muscles push the blood out a little.
I do not like a lot of shoulder damage if I can prevent it.
just my 2 cents. New from Midway 3 years ago. Three consecutive shots, three dead deer isn't going to give one much to complain about and a whole lot of other guys have had the results I was looking for. Exit hole. I loaded 20 rounds of this lot. Shot 3 to see if they were on. Chronographed seven (liked shooting them) so I had another ten to hunt with. After I shot those deer I chronographed 2 more and they were right in there. I'm willing to chalk up the no exits on those three deer as one of those unexplainable things that happen shooting game and I'll probably be trying them again. My confidence in them, however, is shaken and far lower than before I shot the first buck.
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rug3 try the 130 accubond bud. flies like a bt and penetrates and holds together like a partition. granted its 10 more grains of bullet mass and you prolly won't get quite the mv of the 120 bt but is should be doggone close. I was shooting nosler factory ammo and federal premium ammo in my tests where the 120 bt was fed premium traveling 2,950 fps and the nosler factory load 130 grain accubond was 2,700 fps. the accubond seems kinda slow for just 10 grains given up that's 250 fps for 10 grains of bullet weight. I couldn't wrap my head around that one and still can't. 100 fps maybe but 250 come on nosler!
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rug3 try the 130 accubond bud. flies like a bt and penetrates and holds together like a partition. granted its 10 more grains of bullet mass and you prolly won't get quite the mv of the 120 bt but is should be doggone close. I was shooting nosler factory ammo and federal premium ammo in my tests where the 120 bt was fed premium traveling 2,950 fps and the nosler factory load 130 grain accubond was 2,700 fps. the accubond seems kinda slow for just 10 grains given up that's 250 fps for 10 grains of bullet weight. I couldn't wrap my head around that one and still can't. 100 fps maybe but 250 come on nosler!
Big Ed Well, those aren't "Fire" loads. Surely one can squeeze out a hundred fps over factory with the "right" handloads...  DF
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DF I can't get why nosler can't "squeeze out a hundred fps" out of the 130 accubond from the 260 rem. I have some of their "custom" loads in the same cal and it says 2,800 fps but a lot higher price. so therein probably lies the answer. to get 2,800 fps from the 130 accubond from the 260 rem one must buy the "nosler custom" line..........am I not accurate in thinking 10 grains of bullet weight shouldn't be a deficit of 250 fps???
thanks,
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I see impressive reports with RL-26 with heavy bullets in the Creed and Swede, not sure how well it would work with 120's.
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doc, Varget is great with the 120's and it is supposed to be pretty temp stable, but given where I usually hunt it's a non issue. Just checked my load and mathman has it pegged.....45g Varget running 3100'ish. I used a toned down RL15 (2800fps) load on a recent axis hunt and dumped a big, meat buck pretty handily. One shot through the shoulder, bullet found under skin on off-side weighed 80.5gr. Varget has some of the best accuracy with lighter bullets, lowest velocity spreads I've seen. Here's the 123 Scenar, not a 120 NBT, but pretty close. Gun is a M-700 with Shilen barrel. Big Game is another great one; Pharmseller is top salesmen...  Hey, if it works...  DF ![[Linked Image]](https://i.imgur.com/jh1ZsYH.jpg)
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You’d think they’d at least send me a hat.
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Obey lawful commands. Video interactions. Hold bad cops accountable. Problem solved.
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You’d think they’d at least send me a hat.
P For sure. You've sold a lot of their powder here on the Fire...  DF
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Speaking of getting free stuff for peddling stuff here on the fire:
Buy Nosler! Nosler bullets are great!
Hey, Nosler, send bullets. I already own a free Nosler hat...remember me? I'm the guy who made three orders to SPS in the last month....
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I’ve turned many folks on to Shooter’s Pro Shop.
I’m actually in the Nosler parking lot right now, no foolin’.
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I don’t know how many guys I’ve turned onto the Ballistic:AE app, here on the ‘fire...
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...this place if full of pushers and dealers.... It will ruin a person.
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You guys make me and my 250 newly purchased .284", 140gr Core-Lokts...............feel old. :  I've always said most guys in my home state are about 25 years behind. I start loading bullets with "plastic tips" everyone will ask me why I'm using "varmint bullets".  good stuff God Bless
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I’ve turned many folks on to Shooter’s Pro Shop.
I’m actually in the Nosler parking lot right now, no foolin’.
P Two hats... DF
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I don’t know how many guys I’ve turned onto the Ballistic:AE app, here on the ‘fire... And, bullets, and scopes, and rings, and tripods, and rifles, and binoculars, and rangefinders, and powder, and, and, and, and. He’s a total pusher!..Only problem; Jordan uses his product he pushes...Bad business model 😁
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I don’t know how many guys I’ve turned onto the Ballistic:AE app, here on the ‘fire... Do you think it is better than JBM?
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It uses the JBM engine, but has a lot more features and is user-friendly.
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