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Possibly literally... It looks as though it's going to get widespread adoption with both the Marines and Army. New Machine Guns on Horizon for Special OperatorsMoney quote from that article: “We’re looking for something that has good fightable ergonomics, very highly reliable, built-in recoil mitigation technologies … [and takes] advantage of the huge ranges the 6.5mm Creedmoor offers,” Owens said. There had been reports (see second linked article) that no new machine gun would be adopted for the new intermediate round (6.5 Creedmoor) but obviously that's no longer the case... It's looking like both the Army and Marines are going to (finally) move to a platform with better long-range characteristics. There is talk of an advanced caseless round, but it looks to me like momentum is building for the Creedmoor to fill the bill. A caseless round would be bad in the sense that civilians will never have access to it or weaponry that uses it - and even if there was access you can't reload it.  Another article of interest is: USSOCOM Adopts 6.5 CreedmoorLast month, the command conducted a reliability test, using two incumbent weapons, currently in US service; the FN SCAR Heavy and KAC M110. Two weapons of each type were used, one was in 260 Remington and the other in 6.5 CM. What they found is that both weapons performed just as well and were just as reliable in either caliber.
As both cartridges were similarly accurate and reliable, the determining factor for selection of 6.5 CM would end up being trade space. The prevailing attitude is that there was more room with the 6.5 CM to further develop projectiles and loads. From the same article, the following diagram showing how much of an advantage the 6.5 Creedmoor will provide over the 308 Win, aside from its better penetration characteristics: ![[Linked Image]](http://soldiersystems.net/blog1/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/img_1425.jpg) And finally, from the Marines: Marines Working with the Army on 5.56mm Rifle Round Replacement"We are working the Army; we have looked at the 6.5mm Creedmoor with the Army and [Special Operations Command]," Brig. Gen. Joseph Shrader, commander of Marine Corps Systems Command, told Military.com at the annual Sea-Air-Space exposition Wednesday.
"We are lockstep with them looking at a new round." At a minimum, the 6.5 Creedmoor will definitely join the ranks of the 45/70, 30-06, and 308 Win as a battle tested round, with great civilian popularity as well. Have a good Memorial Day all!
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It’s very popular, that’s for sure! I haven’t heard anyone owners bad mouth the Creedmoor.
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It’s very popular, that’s for sure! I haven’t heard anyone owners bad mouth the Creedmoor. Only the old farts that won’t turn lose the .260.
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175 grains for the 308?
So much for a fair comparison
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175 grains for the 308?
So much for a fair comparison Reckon a 6.5CM fan wrote that? 
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175 grains for the 308?
So much for a fair comparison I killed my first deer with my dads .308. H&r crack barrel.
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6.5 Creedmoor.. a bad copy of 6.5x47Lapua, with a HUGE PR budget.
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I sure don't mind the military going to the 6.5CM.
If they do, it will also mean a "Mil Spec" AR10 platform. That has been badly needed for awhile.
I like the cartridge. I like the ballistics.
But it carries with it some of the same concerns that made the AR10 less desirable than the M16. Weight of ammo, rounds per battle issue per man, weight of rifle, increased recoil...etc.
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Am not a military guy and claim no expertise regarding US military rifle/machine gun issues, but the cartridge/rifle saga played out since the 30:06 days seems to demo clearly that there is no "perfect" single cartridge for whatever "they" (whomever that may be) think they need. That alone makes it difficult to take such a piece very seriously.
Beyond that, and although the 6.5 Creedmore seems to be just fine and may be about as good as other cartridges in that caliber range, its overall performance is not significantly better than existing cartridges of the class. It is difficult for a somewhat experienced old-timer like me to understand the craze. Is it simply advertising/marketing - or folks who simply need the next new/good thing?
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This will probably get me rated as being a really, really, really old fart, but I own all three cartridges that I'm comparing in this saga.
Of the three, all loaded with modern powders and the current 6.5MM bullet selection, I'll take the 6.5x55 Swede any day of the week over the 260 Rem or the 6.5 CM.
It's official. I missed the selfie deadline so I'm Maser's sock puppet because rene and the Polish half of the fubar twins have decided that I am.
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Am not a military guy and claim no expertise regarding US military rifle/machine gun issues, but the cartridge/rifle saga played out since the 30:06 days seems to demo clearly that there is no "perfect" single cartridge for whatever "they" (whomever that may be) think they need. That alone makes it difficult to take such a piece very seriously.
Beyond that, and although the 6.5 Creedmore seems to be just fine and may be about as good as other cartridges in that caliber range, its overall performance is not significantly better than existing cartridges of the class. It is difficult for a somewhat experienced old-timer like me to understand the craze. Is it simply advertising/marketing - or folks who simply need the next new/good thing? You will never get anywhere with that kind of logical logic.
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Am not a military guy and claim no expertise regarding US military rifle/machine gun issues, but the cartridge/rifle saga played out since the 30:06 days seems to demo clearly that there is no "perfect" single cartridge for whatever "they" (whomever that may be) think they need. That alone makes it difficult to take such a piece very seriously.
Beyond that, and although the 6.5 Creedmore seems to be just fine and may be about as good as other cartridges in that caliber range, its overall performance is not significantly better than existing cartridges of the class. It is difficult for a somewhat experienced old-timer like me to understand the craze. Is it simply advertising/marketing - or folks who simply need the next new/good thing? Numbers don't lie, nor does actual testing. If guys in white hats can score more hits on guys with black hats using a Creedmoor, I'm more than happy. No craze, no fad, no marketing. Also no reason for so many to get butt hurt. $20 says Christ would shoot a Creedmoor.
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[quote=CCCC]
$20 says Christ would shoot a Creedmoor. The Apostles' Creedmoor, of course.
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Taking over the world - maybe. But only if Kim presents Trump with a highly engraved RAR decked out in Circassian walnut.
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Am not a military guy and claim no expertise regarding US military rifle/machine gun issues, but the cartridge/rifle saga played out since the 30:06 days seems to demo clearly that there is no "perfect" single cartridge for whatever "they" (whomever that may be) think they need. That alone makes it difficult to take such a piece very seriously.
Beyond that, and although the 6.5 Creedmore seems to be just fine and may be about as good as other cartridges in that caliber range, its overall performance is not significantly better than existing cartridges of the class. It is difficult for a somewhat experienced old-timer like me to understand the craze. Is it simply advertising/marketing - or folks who simply need the next new/good thing? Numbers don't lie, nor does actual testing. If guys in white hats can score more hits on guys with black hats using a Creedmoor, I'm more than happy. No craze, no fad, no marketing. Also no reason for so many to get butt hurt. $20 says Christ would shoot a Creedmoor. Lol...none of this would be an issue if the ,270 was developed in '06.
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Am not a military guy and claim no expertise regarding US military rifle/machine gun issues, but the cartridge/rifle saga played out since the 30:06 days seems to demo clearly that there is no "perfect" single cartridge for whatever "they" (whomever that may be) think they need. That alone makes it difficult to take such a piece very seriously.
Beyond that, and although the 6.5 Creedmore seems to be just fine and may be about as good as other cartridges in that caliber range, its overall performance is not significantly better than existing cartridges of the class. It is difficult for a somewhat experienced old-timer like me to understand the craze. Is it simply advertising/marketing - or folks who simply need the next new/good thing? Numbers don't lie, nor does actual testing. If guys in white hats can score more hits on guys with black hats using a Creedmoor, I'm more than happy. No craze, no fad, no marketing. Also no reason for so many to get butt hurt. $20 says Christ would shoot a Creedmoor. Lol...none of this would be an issue if the ,270 was developed in '06. Yeah it would
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[quote=CCCC]
$20 says Christ would shoot a Creedmoor. The Apostles' Creedmoor, of course. Okay, that's pretty funny.... also kind of funny is my hunch that several of the original "Creedmoor, Bah Humbug..." posters have since quietly added a Creedmoor to their safes.... They may hold out 6 Months to a year before they start to post about the stellar shooting results though... 
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It should have been called the 6.5 Hudson, for all the butthurt it has created.
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[quote=CCCC]
$20 says Christ would shoot a Creedmoor. The Apostles' Creedmoor, of course. Too good.....
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It should have been called the 6.5 Hudson, for all the butthurt it has created. It's all relative.
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