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I've found my Kifaru Reckoning bag to be enough for a 5-day hunt. Its about 82L-106L depending on how you use it. That includes a tipi tent and Ti stove. If I pack reasonably efficiently I don't need it's full capacity.
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"Too Big" packs can lead to sloppy packing and bringing unnecessary stuff.
IMO this depends 100% on the packer's level of experience, and whether they have their gear squared away. If you've winnowed down your gear, over-packing shouldn't be a problem. Yep, agreed... and said the same. there's really nothing wrong with a 100 liter pack too, if you're disciplined not to fill it unnecessarily.
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LOL, I should've read the whole thing I guess. The only thing I'd change in your quote would be to substitute "smart" for "disciplined."
A wise man is frequently humbled.
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Bigger is better so long as you are disciplined not to toss it in. In fact you should get two packs. A 3500-4K one to load your gear in like you are going on a hunt....then toss it into your big pack and don't add anymore gear in the transfer.  There is some brilliance in that methodology!
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If it helps, here is what I toss in my pack. This is for a OCT or NOV back country hunt and assumes it could be rather cold. The list is always evolving, but I know this works. It's broken into bags that pack individually. I'm sure others here could offer different ideas. This easily fits in a Kifaru Reckoning and I think it's a around 40-45lbs not including rifle or any water.
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Kifaru
Pack rain cover
Rifle
Ammo (10)
Sleeping Bag (REI Magma)
BCS Tent
Ti Stove
Sleeping Pad
Pillow
Ground cover pad
Compass
Watch/Watchband compass
Map
Walking Sticks
Wyoming Saw
Spotting Scope
Tripod
Bino Harness
Rangefinder
Binoculars
Cow Call
Water
Water Purification (Steripen)
Water Purification (Sawyer)
Tablets
Water bag for camp
Water bottle (Nalgene)
Water bottle (Smart Water)
Cooking
Jet Boil Stove
Fuel (1x)
Ti plate
Lighters (2x)
Spork
Coffee
Coffee Cup
Coffee grinder
Coffee
v60
v60 filters
Meals
PowerBars (1/day)
Green Belly Bars (1 pack/day)
Mtn Home (1/day)
Nuts
Jerky
Hot Choc
Dried Fruit
Vitamins
Electrical
OnX (iPhone)
iPhone cord
Dark Energy Battery pack
Camera
Delorme InReach
Headlamps (2x)
Headlamp batteries
Flashlight
Flashlight Batteries
Supplies
Fire Starters (Trioxane)
Paracord (100')
Allen wrenches
Fabric patch kit
Pack buckles
Handwarmers
Sharpener
Multi-tool
Duct Tape
Waterproof matches
Important
License
Hunter Safety Card
Wallet
Kindle
Kill Kit
Knife - Havalon
Blades
Game bags
Trash bags
Gloves
Wipes
Zip lock bag
Orange Ribbon
Personal / First Aid
Wipes
Toothbrush
Toothpaste
Moleskin
Eye drops
Rolaids
Nasal spray
Sinus meds
Chapstick
Ibuprofen
Clot pack
First Aid Kit
Clothing
Stocking Hat
Baseball Cap
Orange vest
Kuiu Rain jacket
Kifaru Lost Park
Arcteryx
Sitka Kelvin Active
Cabelas camp shirt
Kuiu puffy pants
Raingear - bottoms
Socks (1x)
U-wear (1x)
Gloves
Camp Shoes
Wearing
Prana Zion Hiking pants
First Lite merino wool bottoms
U-Wear
First Lite Aerowool top
Boots
Socks
Gaitors
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LOL, I should've read the whole thing I guess. You sound like me! 
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If it helps, here is what I toss in my pack. This is for a OCT or NOV back country hunt and assumes it could be rather cold. The list is always evolving, but I know this works. It's broken into bags that pack individually. I'm sure others here could offer different ideas. This easily fits in a Kifaru Reckoning and I think it's a around 40-45lbs not including rifle or any water.
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Kifaru
Pack rain cover
Rifle
Ammo (10)
Sleeping Bag (REI Magma)
BCS Tent
Ti Stove
Sleeping Pad
Pillow
Ground cover pad
Compass
Watch/Watchband compass
Map
Walking Sticks
Wyoming Saw
Spotting Scope
Tripod
Bino Harness
Rangefinder
Binoculars
Cow Call
Water
Water Purification (Steripen)
Water Purification (Sawyer)
Tablets
Water bag for camp
Water bottle (Nalgene)
Water bottle (Smart Water)
Cooking
Jet Boil Stove
Fuel (1x)
Ti plate
Lighters (2x)
Spork
Coffee
Coffee Cup
Coffee grinder
Coffee
v60
v60 filters
Meals
PowerBars (1/day)
Green Belly Bars (1 pack/day)
Mtn Home (1/day)
Nuts
Jerky
Hot Choc
Dried Fruit
Vitamins
Electrical
OnX (iPhone)
iPhone cord
Dark Energy Battery pack
Camera
Delorme InReach
Headlamps (2x)
Headlamp batteries
Flashlight
Flashlight Batteries
Supplies
Fire Starters (Trioxane)
Paracord (100')
Allen wrenches
Fabric patch kit
Pack buckles
Handwarmers
Sharpener
Multi-tool
Duct Tape
Waterproof matches
Important
License
Hunter Safety Card
Wallet
Kindle
Kill Kit
Knife - Havalon
Blades
Game bags
Trash bags
Gloves
Wipes
Zip lock bag
Orange Ribbon
Personal / First Aid
Wipes
Toothbrush
Toothpaste
Moleskin
Eye drops
Rolaids
Nasal spray
Sinus meds
Chapstick
Ibuprofen
Clot pack
First Aid Kit
Clothing
Stocking Hat
Baseball Cap
Orange vest
Kuiu Rain jacket
Kifaru Lost Park
Arcteryx
Sitka Kelvin Active
Cabelas camp shirt
Kuiu puffy pants
Raingear - bottoms
Socks (1x)
U-wear (1x)
Gloves
Camp Shoes
Wearing
Prana Zion Hiking pants
First Lite merino wool bottoms
U-Wear
First Lite Aerowool top
Boots
Socks
Gaitors
That's quite a bit of gear, to be honest. If this works for you, great, but a guy could go for 5 days with easily 1/3 less. You're packing the weight of all the backstrap, Tloins and trim meat off an elk simply in the weight of your camp. I have a Kifaru Reckoning too and really like it...
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Agreed. But I want to camp with someone that takes coffee that seriously.
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Agreed. But I want to camp with someone that takes coffee that seriously. I didn't see any coffee BEANS in that list.... 
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Agreed. But I want to camp with someone that takes coffee that seriously. I didn't see any coffee BEANS in that list.... That would be the "coffee" line!! I roast my own coffee! The list seems long, but much of it is really small. Just about everything is there based on some previous experience. Example is the eye drops. Cut an overhead branch with moss on it and that got in my eyes and was a mess. I wouldn't take all those jackets, would depend on the weather as to what combo. Likely the Kelvin active and one other puffy for insulation. Some is just there to make it more comfortable, like fresh ground pourover coffee. My camp shirt is just a nice-to-have, I like back-up lighting (based on an experience), the spotting scope/tripod is location dependent. T INMAN: I'd be genuinely interested to hear what you would not take.
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On my average elk hunt (which I often do from the pickup---but I do also carry a camp often enough) From your list I'd omit:
Ti Stove
Sleeping Pad (usually-depends on how cold it is and/or how hard the pack in is)
Pillow (I often shove cloths in a game bag if I really need a pillow)
Ground cover pad
Map
Walking Sticks
Wyoming Saw (I do carry a hatchet at times)
Cow Call
Water Purification (Steripen)
Tablets
Water bag for camp
Water bottle (Smart Water)
Ti plate
Coffee (would be nice, but I'd be OK without)
Coffee Cup
Coffee grinder
Coffee
v60
v60 filters
Green Belly Bars (1 pack/day)
Nuts
Jerky
Hot Choc
Dried Fruit
Vitamins
OnX (iPhone)
iPhone cord
Dark Energy Battery pack
Delorme InReach (I do carry a SPOT at times, if in rough country or if weather is really bad)
Headlamps (2x)-(I carry just one)
Flashlight
Flashlight Batteries
Fire Starters (Trioxane)
Allen wrenches
Fabric patch kit
Pack buckles
Handwarmers
Sharpener
Duct Tape
Waterproof matches
Hunter Safety Card-(some states may require this though)
Wallet
Kindle
Trash bags
Gloves
Wipes
Zip lock bag
Moleskin
Eye drops
Rolaids
Nasal spray
Sinus meds
Ibuprofen
Clot pack
First Aid Kit
Kifaru Lost Park
Arcteryx
Sitka Kelvin Active
Cabelas camp shirt
Kuiu puffy pants
U-wear
Gloves
Camp Shoes
First Lite merino wool bottoms
First Lite Aerowool top
Gaitors (usually leave behind, but weatherize I may wear)
I like to go light and don't mind leaving luxury behind to save weight and not have so much stuff to unpack/repack when I am camp. If you're good with that entire list then good on ya...but that's way overkill for me.
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Just highlighted what I don't bring (and in some cases have extra of).
Pack
Ti Stove
Pillow
Map
Wyoming Saw
Water
Water Purification (Steripen) - heard enough negatives that I don't trust it.
Tablets
Cooking
Fuel (1x) (I bring 2 now, because I ran out once and it really sucked.)
Ti plate
Coffee
Coffee Cup
Coffee grinder
Coffee
v60
v60 filters
I skip all of this and bring Via, but I like the way you're thinking.
Electrical
OnX (iPhone) I have a dedicated GPS that probably weighs about the same though.
iPhone cord
Dark Energy Battery pack
Delorme InReach
Headlamps (2X) I bring one headlamp, and no spares
Headlamp batteries
Flashlight
Flashlight Batteries
Supplies
Allen wrenches
Handwarmers
Sharpener
Multi-tool
Important
Kindle
Personal / First Aid
Toothpaste
Moleskin
Eye drops
Rolaids
Nasal spray
Sinus meds
Chapstick
Clothing
Orange vest
Cabelas camp shirt
Socks (1x) - I typically have 3 pair for a 14-15 day trip.
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All good thoughts that should give the OP a good range of perspectives from which to inform a pack decision. My list is certainly not a minimal weight, or minimal comfort, list. Clearly I can trim weight and volume if I really decide to do so. But when it's 15-20 deg out and snowing and I'm warm and dry in a tipi tent with a Ti stove burning, sipping a fresh ground pour over cup of coffee, it's pretty good living! ![[Linked Image]](https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Rc_9mphbHq0/WzN3v2_FEII/AAAAAAAAe1s/NfvKnF0ILNQy8my_rocBJci0bsM-6q5QgCHMYCw/s1024-no/IMG_4899.JPG)
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Yes sir...everyone's needs/wants/"worth the weigh, volume and hassel" ratios are a bit different.
Nice to have these choices these days.
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I’ll take a bigger pack and cinch it down any day of the week over a smaller pack. My current pack expands from 1800 ci to 7800 ci.
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