Home Forums Reloading Big Game Rifles 338 Winchester 210’s...

Been about 20 years since I’ve loaded for one. What are you using? Speed? Thanks

Can’t help you much with the 210’s....but getting 2950 with 225 TTSX’s in my wife’s .338 ( Win. Model 70, 24” barrel). memtb

What recipe? Thanks

Had great accuracy out of both IMR 4350 and RL19. They both had an accuracy node that shot 3025fps or so.

I use Nosler 210's. IMR4350 is the powder that shot the best for me and I tried several.
Phil

First....a disclaimer - This shoots very well (pressure wise) is her rifle, but may be warm in another!
. 338 WM, Federal Safari brass (nickel plated), Barnes 225 TTSX, 78.5 grains of RL 22, Federal 215 primers

It’s worked quite well for numerous, elk, and antelope, a bear and a moose! memtb

Jud, I used Re 19 and a lot of it.. Got close to 2950 I believe.. I will be. Home in three or four days and can check.. I used Bob Hagel’s Method for checking pressures.. It was above the max in some books..

+1 for IMR 4350, many years ago I loaded it behind the long discontinued Speer 275 gr. RN bullet. I still have the target with a 3 shot cloverleaf group, it was the most accurate combination in my pre'64 Winchester M/ 70 .338 WM.

Nice thanks gents.

RL-19, as much as your gun will take.............usually about 2950'ish.

For 250's, RL-22, again as much as your gun will take for about 2700'ish.



That's gotta be warm............2950 with the 210 is not a wimpy load.

MM

71.0gr of H4350 fed 215 with any of 225 will do just fine.

Copy that. I’ve killed caribou oryx, elk bear deer with 225’s, gonna give some swift siroccos a whirl...

Sirocco's are really nice boolits, but they don't shoot well in all guns / calibers across the board; never tried them in a 338 though.

You be a wise man to only buy a few to test the waters....................

Never had a 338 that ever got top velocity with either version of 4350.

MM

Copy that, I've found the same thing, accuracy wise... obliged

I use the 225-grain TTSX for all my hunting in Alaska, but a couple of months ago while looking around the Sportsman Warehouse I saw a Switft box of loaded ammo with the 210-grain Scirocco (tipped), and the price of good enough for my to buy it. Anyway, they shot quite well out of my two .338's, so I was quite pleased. Both rifles are Ruger M77, one MKII and the other African (without a muzzle brake and express sights).

Jud, I shoot North Fork 225’s in mine. Makes life real simple. Point, shoot, big critters go down in a hurry. Accurate too. My ‘68 vintage Sako shoots 0.4” groups at 100 yards with RL-19. 2800 FPS.

As. Far as 210s go on game, the swift scirocco is hell on everything I've shot with them at 3200 out of my Rum

For anything I hunt in the eastern USA I have had great success with my 338 load...

Hornady 225 SP
60.0 gr IMR 4064
Gives me a chrono reading of 2675 out of my Sauer 101 and 1/2 inch groups @ 100 yds. Also a very affordable load. I have never had to shoot twice at an animal with this load and bullet performance is excellent.

When I hunted the 338 WM my exclusive load was the 210 NP. Like the 130 NP from a 270, it works beyond its "numbers."

To me it's the ideal bullet in the 338 for elk here in MT.

Can't recall the load, but in my 22" bbl'd 338 WM I went 2,950 with H4350.

Here's a bull I shot in his bed with the 338/210 combo...

Can't help, run 250 SAF's to 2750 in my 338 WM, 210 NPT's run 2800 fps in my 338-06, need to get them both out on heavy game hunts, like the hell out of both rounds, Good Luck!

Thats a nice bull Brad!!

Thanks.

I started in the dark at -15*F, spotted this bull with two lesser bulls at daybreak 1.5 miles away headed up a mountain to bed, and did a death march that brought me to the ridge they were bedded on. I carefully hunted down to where I thought they might be bedded and shot the biggest standing in his bed. It never got above 5*F that day. One for remembrance around a warm fire on a cold winter day.

Yep that’s a good bull and story. Guess I’ll have to take you up on that brewski to see your face!!! Haha

I always felt for elk and deer, the 210 NP was the perfect combination of velocity and penetration in both the 338 and 340wby for a true all around load for NA. Would it be perfect for the largest bears, no, but I wouldn’t want to rely on a 375 for long range deer or antelope. It would readily expand on deer ribs at 500+ yards and penetrate deeply on elk at the same distances. In something like 3 dozen elk, I’ve only recovered 2 bullets. I think Bob Hagel did extensive penetration testing comparing the 210 and 250 NPs in home brewed wet sawdust mix.. As, I recall, the 210s penetrated within an inch or two of the 250s while having a the added benefits of higher velocity.

I think, like others, the 210 grain Nosler Partition is one heck of a great bullet.
I know they shoot great in my 338-06. They bring on dirt naps"

The 225 grain, Nosler Partitions work great too. (in my 338-06)

Take care

What powders do you have on hand? If looking to purchase some powder for the 210's. I would look at RL 17 & Hunter.

The load I’ve used for 40 years in six .338s and has accounted for quite a pile of game is:

73 gr/IMR 4350, Federal 215, Federal or Winchester case, 210 gr Nosler Partition. I have gotten just over 2900 fps with outstanding accuracy. I’m playing with RL19 just for grins and it looks promising.

I have found the .338 to be very easy to load for, and those I have had exhibited terrific accuracy. Logic says we probably don’t need this round as much as we did before such an array of good bullets have come out for lesser calibers, but I just like it.

^ this, start low and work up.

I have been using the 210 Scirocco in my 338-06 at over 2800 fps. Have had excellent results on caribou, moose, girzzly and brown bears. Have only recovered 2 bullets. One retained roughly 88% when I shot a moose head on through both sides of the skull and deep into the neck at less than 10 yards. The other went long ways through a 10' brown bear this spring at less than 100 yards. It weighed 196.6 grains (over 93% retention) and expanded to over .750".

Pretty impressive and will keep using them given the performance and the application of that rifle. If I still had a 338WM I would no doubt switch over from the 225 NABs it was shooting at over 2900 fps to the 210 Sirocco.

Bullet recovered from the brown bear this spring:

That is an impressive endorsement! I was going to go the 210 Barnes TTSX as a one bullet solution for my .338 Win Mag but I am going to have to look hard at the Scirocco® II as well. I guess the rifles accuracy will pick which one I end up using.

Sciroccos are great bullets. I've shot big a big bull elk and bull moose using them. My results were the same as Alaska lanche. The three I recovered all weighed 195-196gr. These bullets left the barrel at 2865fps and the shots were all under 100yds. Biggest mushroom is .817in. Both critters went less than 60yds. Shots were in the lung and neck area.
The gun is a 338-06AI.
The 210gr Scirocco has a BC of .507. The Nosler 225 AB is .550. Both are quite high.

I have had good accuracy from 210 Nosler Partitions using RL16. I also had used IMR 4350
until I ran out.

BTW, I have no idea what the Nosler 210 gr. Partitions looked after doing their work, as I have never had an animal stop one. That includes a bullet that went through both shoulders of a bull elk.

My first dead elk experience ( many years ago), my hunting buddy killed a decent 6x6, shot at close range ( under100), with a 210 Partition, from a .338 WM, pushed hard ( his brass were only good for a few reloads)..... bullet recovered, forward jacket folded tightly against the base. The recovered bullet only weighed approximately 60 to 65% of original weight and less than .40 cal. A very “sick” elk, after the shot, but it required a follow-up shot!

I think that it’s a good bullet....but “not” the best! MHO It does however, “play hell” with a poorly placed shot, on a pine grouse ( bullet “not” recovered )...... nothing left for the pot! memtb

memtb- was with a friend when he shot a turkey with his 7mm STW/160NP around 35 yds...one big hole with some legs and wings 'around the edges of it", ha.

Jim, I did enough squirrel hunting with a scope, many at “very” close range.....so quickly learned that the bore is 1 1/2” to 2” below the crosshairs. Having “only” western big game experience.....he ruined a few grouse before catching on! That didn’t stop me from getting a good laugh, at his expense! memtb

Always loved SS'2's, thanks for the feedback gents....

I use the Mule Deer recommended "low recoil" load of 65gr R15 with the 210gr Partition or 200gr BT. Should be about 2900-2950fps, but don't know as I've never clocked it. I've used it on doe pronghorn to cow bison and bull elk.

Clocked my RL16 loads for .338WM today after I fixed my Labradar. Got 2953fps with 71gr
of RL16 SD was 13.0 Win cases and 215M primers 3.260OAL using 210gr Partitions

Next shot 72gr of RL16 got 2983fps with that SD was 13.2, 5 shots all bullets touching.
This load was probably to hot, but most accurate load of the day including shooting
44 rounds of 7mm Mag. OAL was 3.300 going to cut back to 3.280 and use 71.5gr. Win cases

76.5gr of H4831 got 2848 poor accuracy.

78gr of IMR 7828SSC 210 partition win cases WLRM primers 3.300 OAL
Average was 2971fps SD of 15.4 not accurate. Don,t increase.

Might try RL26 or Norma MRP, Quickload says they give fastest speed.
If my shoulder holds up. Anyway I,m going to load the 71.5gr of RL16.

When I had my last .338 Re19 and a 210 Nosler was a super combination..

19’ comes up a lot, I’ll have to try er. Wish McMillan would hurry up, it’s just a barreled action laying in my safe!! Haha

That is my favorite bullet right now at this point in my 338. I am using RL17, Nosler cases, and CCI250's with the 210 Swift. I am getting 2950 from the combo and it was a monster on my last bull I took with it. Expands like crazy, but will probably get caught on the hide on the far side. Not sitting in front of my load book, but I am thinking I am around 72 grains in my cases. Gun could take more without drama, but 2950 shoots amazing and 50-100 FPS won't change much for me. I started them .050 off from the get go and they shoot like crazy!

Sounds good. Lots of powders will work. I don,t have time to try them all.
I,m using the Nosler Partitions cause I bought a lot of seconds cheap.
and I knew they were accurate.

RL19 and the 210 Partitions accounted for a few elk for me as well. Those ran about 3050 out of my Alaskan and were super accurate as well. Still wouldn't hesitate to take anything with that combo. Watch the backside of a herded up bunch of elk cause I wouldn't doubt that it would crush another after flying right on threw....

Didn't Coni Brooks kill a bunch of different big game with a 210 gr Barnes when she and her husband owned Barnes Bullets?

Dunno, I do know there ain’t too much a 338 caint do....

Went out and shot some .338 loads this morning, using 210gr Nosler Partitions.
Norma MRP was the most accurate today, also had the highest velocity. I won,t
give it to you as I believe it,s to hot. But it was over 3000 fps. SD was 6.9 for 5 shots.
One didn,t read. Actually had a 6 shot group. 5 of six shots were touching.

shot RL16 and got 2975fps SD 4.5 also very accurate.

had a box of Federal premium 210gr Nosler Partitions that I bought in 1999.
shot 4 shells and the average was 2868fps with SD of 4.6

I,m shooting a old Model M77 Ruger, with a very heavy trigger. got to do something about
that trigger. I got it used and until 3 weeks ago had only shot about 60 rounds thru it.
I don,t think the last owner shot it much either. I got it in trade for a 30/06 Ruger M77.
about 20 years ago.

I guess I,ll have to load the RL26 powder and try it.

Dang Guntruck….with 5 touching, you might want to reconsider messing with it, ha! Good shooting!

For and old guy it was pretty good. 2 weeks ago RL16 was the best load but not as fast.
my filing system leaves something to be desired, so I can,t compare them. Might still be
around here somewhere.