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John 20:19-20 (NLT)

19 That Sunday evening the disciples were meeting behind locked doors because they were afraid of the Jewish leaders.
Suddenly, Jesus was standing there among them! “Peace be with you,” he said.
20 As he spoke, he showed them the wounds in his hands and his side.

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Atoms have a lot of "empty space"- but empty space isn't as empty as it seems, although scant with particles/matter,
it is however filled with [electromagnetic] forces....QUANTUM ELECTRODYNAMICS.

Some say one wouldn't need to disrupt the atomic structures, but rather disrupt the 'quantum flow of information' between
atoms of one or both objects, so that it wouldn't get in the way of one material object passing through another.

Higher Human Consciousness affects atomics?....Quantum experiments have shown that observed atoms behave
differently to unobserved atoms...

Participate in the gospel and (we'll) find out.

John 1:1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was with God in the beginning.
3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

Jesus is the creator. He is God. If he created matter, then he certainly has the capability of rearranging it.

Are you Gus' twin?

Don't insult Gus...

Not just Matter, but Time and Space and the physical laws that make it all work. Compared to that, the miracles in the Bible are like card tricks.

Always amuses me when "experts" try to explain stuff like the parting of the sea and the loaves and fishes by various means. Believe it or don't, but don't muck it up with human "wisdom". What they are really trying to do is explain away God, because they don't want to be accountable to Him. If He doesn't exist, it doesn't matter, so why bother?

Good observation Pappy.

It’s always interesting to try to figure out the specific purpose and angle of such posts since the OP’s typically skirt has specific questions.

Good answer!

Recall He also walked on the water in a storm as did Peter before his faith weakened from fear of the waves he had been walking on. At another time His disciples woke him in the boat fearing a storm and the storm instantly responded to His rebuke. This is not about humanity but rather the God who created humanity in His image. And don't forget He told us we would not only do these things, but also greater things. All it takes is replacing doubt and fear with faith.

God (Jesus ) is not limited by time or space as pappy said. We try to understand but our minds are not able to comprehend some things.

I'm not an "expert",but I attribute all those "miracles" in the bible to long nights around the fire stoked with wine.....everybody trying to tell a more captivating story....I've heard lots of bullschitt slung around a campfire...
There may be a god....but I'll never be convinced...seen too much schitt in this life to ever be convinced there's a benevolent, supernatural benefactor that "loves" us....

What evidence do you have this happened at all?

Evidence??? Well,,,the wall is still standing, for one. grins

Antelope Sniper, I respect your non beliefs but have a direct question for you and would ask a "yes" or "No" answer from you and without dodging or obfuscating as you most often do and do so well at that.

Question: Were (are) all of the Disciples, Prophets and Apostles - Liars?

Would like to know just how much you truly disbelieve. Remember: Yes they are all liars or No, they were not..

I'm not Antelope Sniper, but let me chime in....for a lot of people, it's not so much that we are "disbelieving" ...as we are skeptical.

How many versions of the bible have been written? When was the first one written??? It's my understanding that they were ALL written well after all the apostles had turned to dust....

Suggest you try reading "The History of The Bible" by Taylor. Would help with your queries.

Another point might be that "skeptics" are disbelievers by definition. ymmv and probably does.

A man is raised from the dead and you are astonished he can materialize out of nowhere?

If you don’t believe that Jesus Christ lived, was killed, and was raised from the dead, you don’t fit the accepted definition of being a “ Christian”.

If you do believe that, then you can place NOTHING out of reach of His capabilities. In my view, it is not necessary for me to believe that He did as the Disciples claimed, but that He could have.

I've thought about that, and many times I've found myself doubting the existence of a higher being. But, then I stop and look around me at nature, and just how perfect it is, and I think that there is no way that it "just happened"......no "big bang," no little cell just floating around in space all of a sudden feel to earth and life began. The plants, the animals, the seasons, the sun, the moon, water, ....you name it, it's all perfect, fitting together like the pieces of a puzzle. It didn't just happen, someone made it happen, a higher being who knew exactly what He was doing.......God.

I believe in God, and I believe in what it is written in the Bible, though I do believe that you have to read between the lines on some things. I believe Jesus performed the miracles the Bible says He did, and I believe that God is capable of doing whatever He wants to do. But, I also believe that He gives us free rein to believe as we want to, and that is what we are judged on.

Is it too much of a stretch to believe that SOME of the gospel accounts are actually true?

The statements credited to Him were obviously spoken, or thought, by SOMEONE. Is there a more moral set of teachings anywhere than the teachings credited to Him?

Even non believers concede that He was a great moral teacher. That can serve as a starting point for a relationship with Him.

Except the delivery of a reliable written revelation of Himself. That’s beyond Him, isn’t it?




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