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https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/201...ied-crossing-river-in-wrangell-st-elias/Hits home from many, many years ago... a couple, friends of my parents drowned on a spring bear hunt, roped together, while crossing a raging river. Alaska News NPS: Evidence suggests overdue hikers may have died crossing river in Wrangell-St. Elias Crews searching for two missing hikers in Wrangell-St. Elias National Park and Preserve found two gear-filled backpacks and other camping items along a 7-mile stretch of the Sanford River, the National Park Service said Monday. The agency has led the search for the hiking couple, from Missouri, after they failed to meet their air taxi pick-up Wednesday at the Dadina River. "From the evidence we have so far, it appears they tried to cross the river and didn't make it, but we're piecing that all together still," said Margie Steigerwald, spokeswoman for the park. The Park Service has not released the hikers' names at the family's request, but will do so at a later time, Steigerwald said early Monday. "Although no people have been found, the identification in each of the backpacks matches the names of the missing hikers," the agency said in a statement. The backpacks were discovered as river levels on the Sanford River dropped Friday and Saturday, producing dry river channels. Searchers also spotted footprints near the Sanford Glacier that matched the tread of a boot found a mile down the river. The couple had planned to hike six days from the Sanford River, crossing the Dadina Plateau and ending at the Dadina River. Their gear was found near the location where the couple was dropped off by an air taxi service June 22, the agency said. "An intensive aerial and ground search on Saturday yielded a few more items but no additional sign of survivors," the Park Service said. The search was scaled back after weather deteriorated Saturday, but the park's pilot will continue searching the Sanford River area, the agency said.
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Gear for 7 miles????.....they are goners.... Rip
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Gear for 7 miles????.....they are goners.... Rip Yup, just looking for the sake of the families...
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That sucks.
Roping up is a questionable practice IMO. Though I've done it.
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Yup... sad thing...
Alaska News Searchers find bodies of missing hikers in Wrangell-St. Elias National Park
National Park Service rangers Monday recovered the bodies of a hiking couple who went missing along the Sanford River in Wrangell-St. Elias National Park and Preserve, the agency said Tuesday.
Rochelle Renken and Michael Huffman, both 62 and from Columbia, Missouri, were on a six-day backpacking trip in the park but did not meet a scheduled air-taxi pickup Wednesday.
"Based on the evidence that was found by searchers, it appears that the couple attempted to cross the Sanford River near the toe of the glacier and were swept away by the powerful, glacial river," the NPS said in a statement.
"The deaths appear to be accidental. No foul play is suspected," the agency said.
They were dropped off June 22 by an air taxi operator at the Sanford Glacier airstrip less than 2 miles from where the bodies were found, the agency said. Search crews over the weekend found two gear-filled backpacks and other camping items along a 7-mile stretch of the Sanford River.
"The couple were experienced backpackers and Renken has been to Alaska several times in the past and had previous experience crossing Alaskan rivers," the agency said Tuesday.
The bodies were identified after a preliminary investigation by Park Service officers. Positive identification is pending from Alaska's medical examiner, the agency said.
The agency launched an "intensive aerial and ground search" Wednesday that grew to 27 people and five aircraft by Thursday, the agency said.
The couple had planned to hike six days from the Sanford River, crossing the Dadina Plateau and ending at the Dadina River.
"The NPS reminds backpackers that river crossings are always dangerous and that rivers and streams that are sometimes passable become impassable, even for experts, after rain events or on sunny days with rapid glacial melt," the statement said.
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Sorry to read this. When using ropes around water you NEVER tie to the rope. Hold it is ok, but never tie to it. Well unless you are trying to stay together in the seas or such.
Thoughts, prayers and condolences to the family and friends.
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I've spent a little time waiting for a river to go down. Another two days of fishing didn't kill me till the water slowed.
I have nothing but complete respect for water and I do not f&ck with it.
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To late now, but exactly the point Scott. Don't fly, float, well you know the drill. Wait the weather out. Alive is generally better than dead.
Took a long time to get my wife to understand that I don't care if they fire me for being days late, I"m still alive and didn't need that job with [bleep] bosses anyway then.
Same goes for traveling in fog in certain areas.
I suspect you've seen more than you wanted to related to how powerful water can be. I don't like water rescue pages. Seems like a lot of the time all you can safely do is watch until it thins out a bit. Having to watch some things you don't want to watch either.
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In Prudhoe Bay ARCO had policies that said do not go if unsafe...
BP said you better get here no matter what...
I do not remember exactly what changed their mind, but they did.
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Lost their gear trying to cross the river, died of hypothermia on a sandbar.
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Damn. Hadn’t heard that yet. Just ... damn.
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Lost their gear trying to cross the river, died of hypothermia on a sandbar. Yeesh. Tough way to go.
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"trip of a lifetime". --- it was that!
Sucks big time.
I might add that "out there", I almost always have a folding knife and waterproof container of matches on my person, not in the pack. I don't know the circumstances, but if fuel was available, it might have helped. Foot of the glacier? Maybe no fuel to have a fire with.
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Any of us that play hard up here usually have a story of where things got sporty. Sometimes you can get away with “almost got me”
Love this place, but never ever forget the power of ma nature, she can slap you hard.
So sorry for the families of the hikers. I’m with ya las, I like some essential stuff on me, knife and firemakings no doubt. Glacial water is cold, and as you mentioned that close to the glacier perhaps no fuel available.
Patience can be a real virtue when dealing with weather here
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It still beats the hell out of dying in a nursing home, waiting for friends that don't have the time or for someone you don't want to know showing up to wipe your ass.
May they R.I.P., together forever !
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Any of us that play hard up here usually have a story of where things got sporty. Sometimes you can get away with “almost got me”
Love this place, but never ever forget the power of ma nature, she can slap you hard. True, dat (and probably scars or fresh welts to prove what we wish we couldn’t!) It’s really amazing how much of this state lacks fuel for fire or water to drink when you get in trouble. (AMSEA doesn’t even include ‘fire’ as one of the seven crucial steps to survival in cold water (marine) emergencies.) Nothing is more basic or survives anything than a simple magnesium/flint and pocket knife combo IF you have practiced with it. It still beats the hell out of dying in a nursing home, waiting for friends that don't have the time or for someone you don't want to know showing up to wipe your ass.
May they R.I.P., together forever ! Was just reliving the memories of bringing my in-laws to the camp we built a few years before my FIL passed away. I recall uttering a similar sentiment when my wife expressed concern about them being all alone in case something happened. .... we both agree it was one of the best decisions we didn’t interfere with. ( I think Walter bought 15 gallons of gas before he even asked if I would bring them in my boat.... eager like a 70-year-old kid!) Sad way to end but hope the family can see the other side of it too.
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It seems like weekly that I remind hikers to unfasten their pack belts when crossing creeks and rivers. put one arm partially inside of the shoulder strap on one side so if you fall, you can get out of that pack quickly. If you go down in fast water with a load of moose meat on your pack, you are in big trouble.
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"trip of a lifetime". --- it was that!
Sucks big time.
I might add that "out there", I almost always have a folding knife and waterproof container of matches on my person, not in the pack. I don't know the circumstances, but if fuel was available, it might have helped. Foot of the glacier? Maybe no fuel to have a fire with. I have always been told to have something on you, if nothing else in your pockets, but more along the lines of a tiny fanny type pack or such, with just enough to fire up and live. Hikes. Crossings. Flights. Etc...
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Jeff I try and never leave the boat or camp without a small day/fanny pack I have
With that lil pack barring injury I can make a comfortable camp for an evening or two.
But I don’t trust it completely. Anything that hangs off of you in current can be the enemy.
With knife and firemakings in my pocket, I’m apt to be a long ways from comfortable but better odds of surviving to be comfortable again in the future.
Vern brings up a good point, I’m amazed at the number of folks I’ve witnessed that weren’t going to unbuckle their pack before crossing fast moving water. Wtf ?
I'm pretty certain when we sing our anthem and mention the land of the free, the original intent didn't mean cell phones, food stamps and birth control.
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A fishing pole with a Pixee attached is pretty handy for snagging gear floating down the river. McMillan makes a better boat paddle than walnut, if you want to ever use that stock again.
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Vern brings up a good point, I’m amazed at the number of folks I’ve witnessed that weren’t going to unbuckle their pack before crossing fast moving water. Wtf ?
I generally don't pop a buckle before crossing, but sometimes the situation warrants it. (I would unbuckle a sternum strap if I used one.) Last thing I want in a questionable footing scenario is to have my pack shifting. I understand the argument for it though. A heavy pack is a considerable advantage in crossing fast water as it allows you to maintain traction where you would otherwise wash out. As I said, I don't rope up frequently for water crossings. We've tied packs off and trailed a line to belay a leader across. Should things go to [bleep], the plan was to swing the pack to the bank, and the swimmer is on his own. Of course, none of this is a recommendation...
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Vern brings up a good point, I’m amazed at the number of folks I’ve witnessed that weren’t going to unbuckle their pack before crossing fast moving water. Wtf ?
I generally don't pop a buckle before crossing, but sometimes the situation warrants it. (I would unbuckle a sternum strap if I used one.) Last thing I want in a questionable footing scenario is to have my pack shifting. I understand the argument for it though. A heavy pack is a considerable advantage in crossing fast water as it allows you to maintain traction where you would otherwise wash out. As I said, I don't rope up frequently for water crossings. We've tied packs off and trailed a line to belay a leader across. Should things go to [bleep], the plan was to swing the pack to the bank, and the swimmer is on his own. Of course, none of this is a recommendation... Do as I say, not as I do? In a similar way, I pull my feet out of my stirrups when crossing streams. Sure don't want a horse coming down on my leg pinning me below the surface.
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Do as I say, not as I do?
In a similar way, I pull my feet out of my stirrups when crossing streams. Sure don't want a horse coming down on my leg pinning me below the surface.
Doing all the right things according to conventional wisdom and still dying doesn't even get you the privilege of complaining to those espousing said wisdom. So I'd just recommend that people think for themselves. Although... that might be the most dangerous advice.
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Agreed. Everything is a different situation.
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Do as I say, not as I do?
In a similar way, I pull my feet out of my stirrups when crossing streams. Sure don't want a horse coming down on my leg pinning me below the surface.
Doing all the right things according to conventional wisdom and still dying doesn't even get you the privilege of complaining to those espousing said wisdom. So I'd just recommend that people think for themselves. Although... that might be the most dangerous advice. It's ironic and counter intuitive, but many times taking safety precautions can put you in greater risk. It's the alpine climbing mindset. You carry the absolute minimum gear so that you can travel faster. Yes, the approach seems to trade off safety, but it ignores that fact that the extra gear and slower travel puts you in the danger zone for a greater period of time. Not slipping while crossing a river is much safer than putting yourself at greater risk of slipping, no?
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good points Chris and Paul, every situation is different, most of the time I'll hike a ways to not have to go in over my knees if it's an option. The other variable is how much weight is in the pack? If just day hunting with my backpack it's light enough I'm not too worried about it.
If I'm hauling a moose quarter out, and have to cross a deep fast moving stream (hope not, see above to try and find a better route) I'm probably not going to unbuckle my waist strap, just depends upon current and depth. Same with sheep, that's where I've most often run into these situations.
also a big proponent of a hiking pole. a tripod is way more stable than a bipod, hiking poles have saved my bacon numerous times. First time I hiked the Kalaua trail in Kauai, it was not too many months after hunting season here, I was in fairly decent shape, but I passed people left and right using my hiking pole, slippery spots I could still make good time, boulder hoppin is where it really proved it's merit though. Majority of folks I passed had no pole. I hiked in to Hanokoa falls went for a quick dip, had a bite to eat and hiked back out. Quite a few of the people I'd passed had gone off the trail a lil to grab natures hikin pole.
I've sheep hunted with pards that didn't feel we needed two rifles, so they left theirs behind, F that, I'm takin mine. I'd almost rather not have my rifle than go without the pole, but that's just me and I've always been pretty decrepit.
I'm pretty certain when we sing our anthem and mention the land of the free, the original intent didn't mean cell phones, food stamps and birth control.
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