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One piece guide rod #12964372 07/03/18 Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 3,127 Arizona jmp300wsm OP Campfire Tracker OP jmp300wsm Campfire Tracker Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 3,127 Arizona I have a ruger sr1911. I have been told that if I installed a wilson combat one piece guide rod it would make an already accurate pistol even better? What say you 1911 experts? If you find yourself in a hole....quit digging

Re: One piece guide rod jmp300wsm #12964426 07/03/18 Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 23,624 MontanaMan Campfire Ranger MontanaMan Campfire Ranger Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 23,624 No, it will not; save you money for more meaningful things in life. MM

Re: One piece guide rod jmp300wsm #12965003 07/03/18 Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 21,691 Kentucky C CrimsonTide Campfire Ranger CrimsonTide Campfire Ranger C Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 21,691 Kentucky One piece guide rods for the 1911 are nothing less than camel droppings. "The number one problem with America is, a whole lot of people need shot, and nobody is shooting them." -Master Chief Hershel Davis

Re: One piece guide rod jmp300wsm #12965029 07/03/18 Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 11,674 MOGC Campfire Outfitter MOGC Campfire Outfitter Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 11,674 No use for it in my guns... Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.

Re: One piece guide rod jmp300wsm #12965216 07/03/18 Joined: Jun 2018 Posts: 326 T Trumpster Campfire Member Trumpster Campfire Member T Joined: Jun 2018 Posts: 326 I have a couple. The posters who doubt their worth might just be right. But what the hell, I bought a couple of Wilson one-piecers. I can't discern accuracy difference with or w/o guide rods. If you have the inclination and a few extra bucks to spend, there might be something to be gained from one-piece experience. Last edited by Trumpster; 07/04/18.

Re: One piece guide rod Trumpster #12965341 07/03/18 Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 23,624 MontanaMan Campfire Ranger MontanaMan Campfire Ranger Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 23,624 I have a dozen 1911's including Wilson & Christensen..............neither of which came with a full length guide rod. I've shot enough with & w/o & there's just no real measurable difference in accuracy with a FL rod, & they are royal PIA to disassemble with a FL rod as well. MM

Re: One piece guide rod jmp300wsm #12965465 07/03/18 Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,200 K1500 Campfire Tracker K1500 Campfire Tracker Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,200 No

Re: One piece guide rod jmp300wsm #12965668 07/04/18 Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,163 T TWR Campfire Outfitter TWR Campfire Outfitter T Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,163 What about the one piece recoil buffers like from Springco?

Re: One piece guide rod jmp300wsm #12965671 07/04/18 Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 30,895 USA J jwp475 Campfire 'Bwana jwp475 Campfire 'Bwana J Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 30,895 USA One piece guide rods are a co plate waste of money. I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first

Re: One piece guide rod jmp300wsm #12965723 07/04/18 Joined: Apr 2017 Posts: 1,355 Colorado M Mountain10mm Campfire Regular Mountain10mm Campfire Regular M Joined: Apr 2017 Posts: 1,355 Colorado Change in accuracy? No. The bullet has left the barrel before the slide has started its recoil movement. A few more ounces up front helps if you're trying to reduce your rapid fire splits by a few tenths/hundredths of a second.

Re: One piece guide rod jmp300wsm #12965950 07/04/18 Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 46,243 Oklahoma G gunner500 Campfire 'Bwana gunner500 Campfire 'Bwana G Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 46,243 Oklahoma No, a bud told me an old story of a guy that dropped his [non-functioning] 1911 off to Mr. Clark one day on his lunch hour, the guy came back and ask, "where's my new one piece guide rod?" "In that can with the rest of the trash, said Mr. Clark" was what I heard. Trump Won!

Re: One piece guide rod jmp300wsm #12966156 07/04/18 Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 3,519 MO SargeMO Campfire Tracker SargeMO Campfire Tracker Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 3,519 MO I don't see one-piece 1911 guide rods as an accuracy improvement, but they work fine in numerous other pistol designs. The only accuracy improving 1911 spring guide, with which I am familiar, was the Dwyer Group Gripper. https://shopwilsoncombat.com/Group-Gripper-Kit-Government/productinfo/12G/ Direct Impingement is the Fart Joke of military rifle operating systems. ⓒ

Re: One piece guide rod MontanaMan #12966288 07/04/18 Joined: Jun 2018 Posts: 326 T Trumpster Campfire Member Trumpster Campfire Member T Joined: Jun 2018 Posts: 326 Originally Posted by MontanaMan I have a dozen 1911's including Wilson & Christensen..............neither of which came with a full length guide rod. I've shot enough with & w/o & there's just no real measurable difference in accuracy with a FL rod, & they are royal PIA to disassemble with a FL rod as well. MM ^^^This post is dead on balls accurate, an industry term used by experts like Mona Lisa Vito^^^

Re: One piece guide rod jmp300wsm #12966294 07/04/18 Joined: Jun 2018 Posts: 326 T Trumpster Campfire Member Trumpster Campfire Member T Joined: Jun 2018 Posts: 326 Ask me & I'd say go the bushing route. But a one-piecer could be useful to have among stuff that's rarely -if ever- used.

Re: One piece guide rod jmp300wsm #12966394 07/04/18 Joined: Sep 2014 Posts: 21,765 Clinging to our God and Guns Dillonbuck Campfire Ranger Dillonbuck Campfire Ranger Joined: Sep 2014 Posts: 21,765 Clinging to our God and Guns There are some things Mr Browning did that can be improved today. Sights, no pinch hammer and beavertails. (Modest) Slightly bigger slide release, safety. Opened ejection port. The bushing system is not one of those. Really amazing to consider that the 1911 was at the beginning of auto pistol designs, and is so good by today's standards. Really, a gun from 1911 would be great with just better sights. Parents who say they have good kids..Usually don't!

Re: One piece guide rod gunner500 #12967071 07/04/18 Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 21,691 Kentucky C CrimsonTide Campfire Ranger CrimsonTide Campfire Ranger C Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 21,691 Kentucky Originally Posted by gunner500 No, a bud told me an old story of a guy that dropped his [non-functioning] 1911 off to Mr. Clark one day on his lunch hour, the guy came back and ask, "where's my new one piece guide rod?" "In that can with the rest of the trash, said Mr. Clark" was what I heard. And Mr. Clark knew his way around the 1911 as well as anyone. (Far better than most.) "The number one problem with America is, a whole lot of people need shot, and nobody is shooting them." -Master Chief Hershel Davis

Re: One piece guide rod CrimsonTide #12967191 07/04/18 Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 46,243 Oklahoma G gunner500 Campfire 'Bwana gunner500 Campfire 'Bwana G Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 46,243 Oklahoma Originally Posted by CrimsonTide Originally Posted by gunner500 No, a bud told me an old story of a guy that dropped his [non-functioning] 1911 off to Mr. Clark one day on his lunch hour, the guy came back and ask, "where's my new one piece guide rod?" "In that can with the rest of the trash, said Mr. Clark" was what I heard. And Mr. Clark knew his way around the 1911 as well as anyone. (Far better than most.) My old Bud went on the reiterate your last line too my Friend! Trump Won!

Re: One piece guide rod Trumpster #12968214 07/05/18 Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 23,624 MontanaMan Campfire Ranger MontanaMan Campfire Ranger Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 23,624 Originally Posted by Trumpster Ask me & I'd say go the bushing route. Not sure what you mean by that comment, but using a one piece guide rod does not eliminate a barrel bushing except in the case of a short barreled gun with a bull barrel which by design, has no barrel bushing. MM

Re: One piece guide rod jmp300wsm #12969496 07/05/18 Joined: Jun 2018 Posts: 326 T Trumpster Campfire Member Trumpster Campfire Member T Joined: Jun 2018 Posts: 326 Hi Montana Man, This.

Re: One piece guide rod Trumpster #12969977 07/06/18 Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 23,624 MontanaMan Campfire Ranger MontanaMan Campfire Ranger Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 23,624 That's a normal, stock, 1911 spring guide rod; that's not a bushing & it doesn't replace a bushing either. A spring plug goes on the other end of it & locks into place below the bushing & into the slide. No idea what you are trying to convey with your original comment as one piece guide rods require a barrel bushing except on short guns with a bull barrel. These are pics of barrel bushings.............................. Barrel Bushings MM

Re: One piece guide rod jmp300wsm #12970463 07/06/18 Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 18,075 GA, USA ready_on_the_right Campfire Ranger ready_on_the_right Campfire Ranger Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 18,075 GA, USA I ordered stock Wilson parts to replace the one piece stuff that came in my early model Kimber. Mike God, Family, and Country. NRA Endowment Member

Re: One piece guide rod jwp475 #12970786 07/06/18 Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 20,884 Deer Park, Tx R Reloder28 Campfire Ranger Reloder28 Campfire Ranger R Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 20,884 Deer Park, Tx Originally Posted by jwp475 One piece guide rods are a co plate waste of money. ...and a pain in the neck to deal with if you ignore all the advice & get one anyway. Don't ask me how I know that. "I never thought I'd live to see the day that a U.S. president would raise an army to invade his own country." Robert E. Lee

Re: One piece guide rod Reloder28 #12971531 07/06/18 Joined: Oct 2014 Posts: 4,755 Skagit County, WA Y Yondering Campfire Tracker Yondering Campfire Tracker Y Joined: Oct 2014 Posts: 4,755 Skagit County, WA Originally Posted by Reloder28 Originally Posted by jwp475 One piece guide rods are a co plate waste of money. ...and a pain in the neck to deal with if you ignore all the advice & get one anyway. Don't ask me how I know that. Some of the full length guide rods can be a pain to disassemble, but others that are the correct length make disassembly exactly the same as the original configuration. I don't know why some manufacturers make them hard to disassemble, but I think it's the length of the rod that is the problem. Sorry I don't remember a brand name from the versions I used that worked right though, it's been too many years.

Re: One piece guide rod jmp300wsm #12972010 07/07/18 Joined: Jun 2018 Posts: 326 T Trumpster Campfire Member Trumpster Campfire Member T Joined: Jun 2018 Posts: 326 Montana Man, If you're 1911-A1 adept, which I am assumed you were, you'd of known that that recoil spring guide can be used only with an original-design 1911-A1 bushing. I shouldn't have had to elaborate. You should have intuitively known it.

Re: One piece guide rod jmp300wsm #12972013 07/07/18 Joined: Jun 2018 Posts: 326 T Trumpster Campfire Member Trumpster Campfire Member T Joined: Jun 2018 Posts: 326 I don't dislike one-piecers. Sig uses them on its P series handguns. However, on 1911-A1, they're more of a POA than anything, especially bushing removal. I can't say that a one-piecer makes a 1911-A1 more accurate or less reliable. But I can say that they'll create bushing removal pains

Re: One piece guide rod Trumpster #12972420 07/07/18 Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 23,624 MontanaMan Campfire Ranger MontanaMan Campfire Ranger Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 23,624 Originally Posted by Trumpster Montana Man, If you're 1911-A1 adept, which I am assumed you were, you'd of known that that recoil spring guide can be used only with an original-design 1911-A1 bushing. I shouldn't have had to elaborate. You should have intuitively known it. You don't know WTF you're talking about. A standard bushing is also used with a one piece guide rod; the only difference is that the spring plug has a hole in it for the on piece guide rod to move through. Last comment to you. MM

Re: One piece guide rod MontanaMan #12972881 07/07/18 Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 12,022 M Magnumdood Campfire Outfitter Magnumdood Campfire Outfitter M Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 12,022 Originally Posted by MontanaMan Originally Posted by Trumpster Montana Man, If you're 1911-A1 adept, which I am assumed you were, you'd of known that that recoil spring guide can be used only with an original-design 1911-A1 bushing. I shouldn't have had to elaborate. You should have intuitively known it. You don't know WTF you're talking about. A standard bushing is also used with a one piece guide rod; the only difference is that the spring plug has a hole in it for the on piece guide rod to move through. Last comment to you. MM The standard bushing is solid. For a one-piece guide rod to fit the bushing has to have a hole in it the size of the guide rod.

Re: One piece guide rod jmp300wsm #12972934 07/07/18 Joined: Jun 2018 Posts: 326 T Trumpster Campfire Member Trumpster Campfire Member T Joined: Jun 2018 Posts: 326 MontanaMan, One fallacy in your post: a guide rod hole in a bushing makes it non-standard. A standard bushing in fully enclosed. Other than that we're good-to-go.

Re: One piece guide rod Magnumdood #12972935 07/07/18 Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 23,624 MontanaMan Campfire Ranger MontanaMan Campfire Ranger Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 23,624 Originally Posted by Magnumdood Originally Posted by MontanaMan Originally Posted by Trumpster Montana Man, If you're 1911-A1 adept, which I am assumed you were, you'd of known that that recoil spring guide can be used only with an original-design 1911-A1 bushing. I shouldn't have had to elaborate. You should have intuitively known it. You don't know WTF you're talking about. A standard bushing is also used with a one piece guide rod; the only difference is that the spring plug has a hole in it for the on piece guide rod to move through. Last comment to you. MM The standard bushing is solid. For a one-piece guide rod to fit the bushing has to have a hole in it the size of the guide rod. You're talking about the recoil spring plug...........& yes, it has a hole as I said. The barrel BUSHING does not change whether the recoil spring guide is standard short or one piece. The is only one BUSHING & that is the BARREL bushing; the piece that goes onto the end of the recoil spring is called a SPRING PLUG. It is not a BUSHING. These are spring plugs, both standard & one with an open end for use with one piece spring guides. Recoil Spring Plugs MM

Re: One piece guide rod Trumpster #12973430 07/07/18 Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 20,884 Deer Park, Tx R Reloder28 Campfire Ranger Reloder28 Campfire Ranger R Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 20,884 Deer Park, Tx Originally Posted by Trumpster Montana Man, If you're 1911-A1 adept, which I am assumed you were, you'd of known that that recoil spring guide can be used only with an original-design 1911-A1 bushing. I shouldn't have had to elaborate. You should have intuitively known it. And, if you were literate you would have known better than to say “you’d of”. "I never thought I'd live to see the day that a U.S. president would raise an army to invade his own country." Robert E. Lee

Re: One piece guide rod Trumpster #12973908 07/08/18 Joined: Oct 2014 Posts: 4,755 Skagit County, WA Y Yondering Campfire Tracker Yondering Campfire Tracker Y Joined: Oct 2014 Posts: 4,755 Skagit County, WA Originally Posted by Trumpster MontanaMan, One fallacy in your post: a guide rod hole in a bushing makes it non-standard. A standard bushing in fully enclosed. Other than that we're good-to-go. MontanaMan is right. You and Magnumdood are confusing a barrel bushing with a spring plug. The barrel bushing has nothing to do with whether you use a short or full length guide rod. If you're going to try to argue about this stuff, at least use the right names so people know what you're trying to say. Last edited by Yondering; 07/08/18.

Re: One piece guide rod Reloder28 #12974078 07/08/18 Joined: Jun 2018 Posts: 326 T Trumpster Campfire Member Trumpster Campfire Member T Joined: Jun 2018 Posts: 326 Originally Posted by Reloder28 Originally Posted by Trumpster Montana Man, If you're 1911-A1 adept, which I am assumed you were, you'd of known that that recoil spring guide can be used only with an original-design 1911-A1 bushing. I shouldn't have had to elaborate. You should have intuitively known it. And, if you were literate you would have known better than to say “you’d of”. I'm not literate.

Re: One piece guide rod jmp300wsm #12981391 07/11/18 Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 1,114 W Winchestermodel70 Campfire Regular Winchestermodel70 Campfire Regular W Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 1,114 To borrow a phrase that Col. Cooper used when describing the DA auto pistol, "it is an ingenious solution to a nonexistent problem". Ditto for guide rods.

Re: One piece guide rod Yondering #12988647 07/14/18 Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 12,022 M Magnumdood Campfire Outfitter Magnumdood Campfire Outfitter M Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 12,022 Originally Posted by Yondering Originally Posted by Trumpster MontanaMan, One fallacy in your post: a guide rod hole in a bushing makes it non-standard. A standard bushing in fully enclosed. Other than that we're good-to-go. MontanaMan is right. You and Magnumdood are confusing a barrel bushing with a spring plug. The barrel bushing has nothing to do with whether you use a short or full length guide rod. If you're going to try to argue about this stuff, at least use the right names so people know what you're trying to say. I stand corrected by one of the gun specific vocabulary correction specialists. Wow.

Re: One piece guide rod Magnumdood #12988665 07/14/18 Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,163 T TWR Campfire Outfitter TWR Campfire Outfitter T Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,163 Originally Posted by Magnumdood Originally Posted by Yondering Originally Posted by Trumpster MontanaMan, One fallacy in your post: a guide rod hole in a bushing makes it non-standard. A standard bushing in fully enclosed. Other than that we're good-to-go. MontanaMan is right. You and Magnumdood are confusing a barrel bushing with a spring plug. The barrel bushing has nothing to do with whether you use a short or full length guide rod. If you're going to try to argue about this stuff, at least use the right names so people know what you're trying to say. I stand corrected by one of the gun specific vocabulary correction specialists. Wow. You both were just wrong and neither of you can accept it. Wow is right.

Re: One piece guide rod TWR #12988863 07/14/18 Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 12,022 M Magnumdood Campfire Outfitter Magnumdood Campfire Outfitter M Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 12,022 Originally Posted by TWR You both were just wrong and neither of you can accept it. Wow is right. What part of "I stand corrected" has you confused? If it's simple enough I'll try to talk you through the meaning of what I said.

Re: One piece guide rod jmp300wsm #12988900 07/14/18 Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,163 T TWR Campfire Outfitter TWR Campfire Outfitter T Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,163 You would have been ok but then you said this "by one of the gun specific vocabulary correction specialists. Wow" I'm not the one confused.

Re: One piece guide rod TWR #12988920 07/14/18 Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 12,022 M Magnumdood Campfire Outfitter Magnumdood Campfire Outfitter M Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 12,022 Originally Posted by TWR You would have been ok but then you said this "by one of the gun specific vocabulary correction specialists. Wow" I'm not the one confused. I believe you are. "I stand corrected" is not changed even a little bit by the following description of who corrected me. You may not like that it followed my admission of being wrong, but it didn't change the fact, at all, that I admitted I was wrong and stood corrected.

Re: One piece guide rod MontanaMan #12988980 07/14/18 Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,995 Florida R rgrx1276 Campfire Regular rgrx1276 Campfire Regular R Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,995 Florida Originally Posted by MontanaMan No, it will not; save you money for more meaningful things in life. MM Heard the same by the top AMU amorer back lots of years. My bullseye gun shoots less than 2” at 50 yards with match at 50 yards. Standard guide rod. Built by Jack Maple. When people face the possibility of freezing or starving there is little chance they are going to listen to unfounded claims of climate doomsday from a bunch of ultra-rich yacht sailing private jet-setting carbon-spewing hypocrite elites

Re: One piece guide rod jmp300wsm #12989049 07/14/18 Joined: May 2002 Posts: 10,247 ___ is what America was FreeMe Campfire Outfitter FreeMe Campfire Outfitter Joined: May 2002 Posts: 10,247 ___ is what America was Words mean things! Lunatic fringe....we all know you're out there.

Re: One piece guide rod jmp300wsm #12989076 07/14/18 Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 23,624 MontanaMan Campfire Ranger MontanaMan Campfire Ranger Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 23,624 Jack Maple is a legend; if he built your gun, then you have a good one without a doubt. He was a wizard with Hi-Standard 22's as well. He was a pretty good friend of the guy who got me going on competitive shooting & he got us a few parts from time to time; unfortunately I never had the opportunity to meet him. MM

Re: One piece guide rod Magnumdood #12989299 07/14/18 Joined: Oct 2014 Posts: 4,755 Skagit County, WA Y Yondering Campfire Tracker Yondering Campfire Tracker Y Joined: Oct 2014 Posts: 4,755 Skagit County, WA Originally Posted by Magnumdood Originally Posted by TWR You would have been ok but then you said this "by one of the gun specific vocabulary correction specialists. Wow" I'm not the one confused. I believe you are. "I stand corrected" is not changed even a little bit by the following description of who corrected me. You may not like that it followed my admission of being wrong, but it didn't change the fact, at all, that I admitted I was wrong and stood corrected. No need to get snarky because you got corrected. Your snarky comment indicated the rest was sarcasm, so TWR had a good point.

Re: One piece guide rod Yondering #12989376 07/14/18 Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 12,022 M Magnumdood Campfire Outfitter Magnumdood Campfire Outfitter M Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 12,022 Originally Posted by Yondering No need to get snarky because you got corrected. Your snarky comment indicated the rest was sarcasm, so TWR had a good point. OK. 3/4 of your observation was not necessary either (the part in red). Originally Posted by Yondering MontanaMan is right. You and Magnumdood are confusing a barrel bushing with a spring plug. The barrel bushing has nothing to do with whether you use a short or full length guide rod. If you're going to try to argue about this stuff, at least use the right names so people know what you're trying to say. If I'm wrong I have no problem admitting it, however, if you, or anyone else decides to lecture me also, I'll respond in a snarky manner. This part was sufficient - MontanaMan is right. You and Magnumdood are confusing a barrel bushing with a spring plug. Save the lectures for Sunday School.

Re: One piece guide rod Yondering #12989379 07/14/18 Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 12,022 M Magnumdood Campfire Outfitter Magnumdood Campfire Outfitter M Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 12,022 Now, go ahead and respond. I'm done and you can have the last word/post.

Re: One piece guide rod MontanaMan #12990404 07/15/18 Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,995 Florida R rgrx1276 Campfire Regular rgrx1276 Campfire Regular R Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,995 Florida Originally Posted by MontanaMan Jack Maple is a legend; if he built your gun, then you have a good one without a doubt. He was a wizard with Hi-Standard 22's as well. He was a pretty good friend of the guy who got me going on competitive shooting & he got us a few parts from time to time; unfortunately I never had the opportunity to meet him. MM Nice to have a gun that allows you to know you did or didn't point it right. Was told by the shooters at AMU that the gunner can outshoot the rest.. Tested with ball, I'll bet it does much better with real match ammo. When people face the possibility of freezing or starving there is little chance they are going to listen to unfounded claims of climate doomsday from a bunch of ultra-rich yacht sailing private jet-setting carbon-spewing hypocrite elites

Re: One piece guide rod rgrx1276 #12992062 07/16/18 Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 23,624 MontanaMan Campfire Ranger MontanaMan Campfire Ranger Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 23,624 That's a classic, beautiful, hardball gun!! Yes, it will almost surely do better with softball match ammo, probably closer to 1 1/2" or so..........................but, unfortunately, REALLY good 45 match ammo is hard to come by these days. (The target says it was with FC Match hardball, though) Best softball gun, that I ever had (I built), with a heavy rib, would do 1 5/8" with 10 shots with the old Winchester Super Match. Never had a hardball gun get under much 2". MM

Re: One piece guide rod MontanaMan #12992090 07/16/18 Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,995 Florida R rgrx1276 Campfire Regular rgrx1276 Campfire Regular R Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,995 Florida Originally Posted by MontanaMan That's a classic, beautiful, hardball gun!! Yes, it will almost surely do better with softball match ammo, probably closer to 1 1/2" or so..........................but, unfortunately, REALLY good 45 match ammo is hard to come by these days. (The target says it was with FC Match hardball, though) Best softball gun, that I ever had (I built), with a heavy rib, would do 1 5/8" with 10 shots with the old Winchester Super Match. Never had a hardball gun get under much 2". MM It shoots way better than I do so I'm happy with it. Wouldn't want to get a "pink" leg medal.., plus Sams was about 2 years behind on his M-9's so I went this route. Was activated less than a year later, and lost interest, so it sits in the safe mostly. I drag it out on occasion to shoot steel plates and it does knock them down with more authority than a 9mm. When people face the possibility of freezing or starving there is little chance they are going to listen to unfounded claims of climate doomsday from a bunch of ultra-rich yacht sailing private jet-setting carbon-spewing hypocrite elites