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Which NF did you end up getting?

Geezus you're so full of shyt I can smell you from here. Quit making shyt up to try to make yourself sound like the all knowing expert you think you are. I get the industry professsionals discount from MANY VENDORS not just optics but firearms, air guns, archery, stocks, you name it. If it's outdoor sporting goods/hunting/shooting related I probably get a discount. NONE have ever said a thing about keeping it a secret. The industry discounts vary from one vendor to another. Vortex just happens to be one that is 50%.

NXS 3.5-15X50 MOAR zero stop illuminated

AND I did not pay retail. BAHAHAHA. Retail is for sucker (Cosmo Kramer)

Leupold still makes a good scope and yes Leupold might have lost a little in sales too but its still the work`n man`s scope, right now probably the best scope out there is Nightforce but they cost a lot more too , in FTR class`s and Bench rest shoot`s most shooters are using Nightforce scopes now,the turret system on a Nightforce is so reliable,and that is one of the reasons Leupold has not done as well. another reason is our military use`s Nightforce scopes alot too and the advertisement showing the bullet hole on/in a nightforce scope used by a American sniper caused by a shot from a enemy sniper proves a lot too about how rugged a Nightforce scope is and that hurts Leupold a lot too .

Look forward to your thoughts.

I used to work behind a gun counter as a p/t job, and this is true.

Sounds dandy!

Now, if you tell me you got 50% off, or even 40% off, I'll be jealous as hell!

Well, I guess this purty much confirms that the horse has left the barn....So, who’s up for sharing 50% off retail for a NF? Anybody, hello! 😎

I’ve owned a lot of different Vortex scopes. The lower end stuff is no different than scopes at a similar price point from Leupold, Burris, Bushnell, etc. Failure rate is high when you start asking the scopes to operate mechanically on a consistent basis. But I have also put thousands of rounds downrange under a couple of PST’s and a Razor (all Gen 1), and all scopes tracked, RTZ, and held zero perfectly. I’m sure some of these higher end Vortex scopes fail, as well, but my particular samples were some of the most reliable scopes I’ve ever owned, among many in my safe that are well-known for reliable mechanical function.

the mounting system is bush league that is why

V Vipers with Kenton LR dial turrets...No, mine were not PST or Razor line...It seems Gen 1’s were built better than the later 2’s.
This thread has gone from a Leupold bash party to a parade of love for Vortex, which doesn’t hold water in either bucket.

Facts are simple and known. Leupold has a failure rate on knob turning higher end scope. But, so does Vortex. This squabble appears to end somewhere in the middle...As you pointed out; Both companies, as well as others, selling boxes in the low to mid range category have basically suck scopes...Who sucks more? I really don’t care, unless I own a scope that has a problem.

You haven’t had issues with your Vortex higher end scopes. But you have with Leupold’s. There are others here who are in reverse of what you’ve experienced...This thread doesn’t need a Form test to determine rugged repeatability of either Vortex or Leupold, he’s already made his experiences known. Both mfgs have failed before his eyes. It just depends as it always does and will, on what each person has experienced for himself. 😎

I think Leupold is rapidly losing market share. They have been for the last 10 years or so.

What is funny is you do hear online of lots of people having issues with their vortex stuff. Some how it never ends up in a huge complain fest though. Some how vortex manages the complaints and no one gets too bent out of shape, figuring out why that is should be the top priority of leupold. Maybe leupold should pull a black and decker and start a dewalt. Have higher end stuff under a different label.
It may just be that vortex is a newer brand and more people are too afraid the product they just bought sucks.

I wish!!

have 2 of those, best groups 2 3/4" at 800 yards, sub half MOA at 1000 yards. you should be happy with it. I think that is one of the problems with the whole FFP vs SFP, while that NF scope is pretty darn big, a lot of guys seem to think they need the hubble telescope to shoot long range. SFP works awesome in a scope of medium power range. 5-20x 6-24x etc those are for varmint shooting off a bench and load development.

I've worked behind the gun counter at a sporting goods store and have several friends and coworkers who do currently. The discounts I got and they get are from the sporting goods store where they work, not the manufacturers/importers.

Rumor has it that NF discount is pretty close to this range. I mean I get the discount but don’t want to get in trouble with the campfire industry police for confirming the discount amount........

"I can get them for 50% of MSRP."

"Well then you don't work in the industry or you would be able to buy Vortex optics for 50% of MSRP directly from Vortex."

"I'm absolutely 100% correct on that you bloviating azzhole. I work in the industry and can buy Vortex scopes for 50% of MSRP through the industry purchase program. The fact that you obviously don't even know about the industry purchase program speaks volumes."

"I don't think the manufacturers give a shyt. Sure never heard that they do and I've worked for one and talked to representatives from many others for years. You want the discounts, get a job in the industry. Anybody that works in the industry gets the industry professionals discount. As per usual, you don't know shyt and are way more knoeledgeable in your own little mind than in reality."

"Geezus you're so full of shyt I can smell you from here. Quit making shyt up to try to make yourself sound like the all knowing expert you think you are. I get the industry professsionals discount from MANY VENDORS not just optics but firearms, air guns, archery, stocks, you name it. If it's outdoor sporting goods/hunting/shooting related I probably get a discount. NONE have ever said a thing about keeping it a secret. The industry discounts vary from one vendor to another. Vortex just happens to be one that is 50%."



All quotes of yours from this single thread. Aside from the incredibly obvious lies, is part-time past employment at a retail counter at a big box store really "working in the industry?"

And you do not have a clue how the system works leading me to believe even this come-clean post includes lies... laughing!

Yup, and you'll notice that I'm not buying anymore Vortex scopes based on the track record that Form has reported on dozens of Razors and PST's (I'm also not buying anymore Leup's, in fairness). But, those few PST and Razor scopes worked for me for thousands of rounds and a lot of dialing, so I must have gotten a couple of the good ones

We had the option of buying through the store and getting a reasonable discount, or ordering direct from the manufacturer/importer. The discount was better direct from the manufacturer, but we were limited to a certain number of items per year, going that route.