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Originally Posted by jorgeI
Gents, looking at these:
http://www.tombstonegrips.com/mm5/m..._Code=FAC_137a&Category_Code=Freedom

but website recommends tracing the existing grips, sending that in so they can cut to fit? Thoughts?

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Before going to that trouble, it might be worth putting out some WTB feelers to see if any existing or previous FA owners might have some grips lying around that they would sell. They might not fit as perfectly as a factory-installed grip set, but I'll bet they would be plenty good enough.


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This is the most accurate of all bullets, jacketed or cast, that I've tried in my Marlin Cowboy .45 Colt.

It is the hardest bullet Sierra makes, according to their info. It may be a good one to try in the 454 Casull.

www.sierrabullets.com/store/product.cfm/sn/8830/4515-dia-45-cal-300-gr-JSP

This one over a healthy load of 4227 is bad medicine. Moves pretty fast out of a 24" barrel. They're not always easy to find. I pick up a few boxes every chance I get. Shelf life is very good.... grin

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Originally Posted by gunner500
Nice, I just loaded 300 new starline cases with 300 gr Cast Performance WFNGC bullets to an easy, comfortable and accurate 1255 fps with 4227 powder, burns clean at those pressures, don't know what it wouldn't handily dispatch either.

Gunner: I'm loading the following that worked well in my Ruger 454 (since traded smile )
Starline brass
WSR primer
27.5gr H-110
Cast Performance 325gr LFNPD hard cast
1340 fps

Heve not tried it on this gun however


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Nice, looks like the field grade model. Ours, made in 1988, came with the pachmayr grips also.
Did you ask when it was made?

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I think you gonna get a lot of flash with H-110. I like 4227 better. H-110 will hit some pretty sharp pressure peaks when pushed. It is good for max velocity.

To add to my remark about the FA grip shape being not too unlike the Ruger Bisley and Elmer's #5, here are photos of Bill Grover's Texas Longhorn Arms, .45 Colt with extra .45 Mag cylinder and the holster Mr. Grover loved. The TLA is a pretty close copy of the famous #5 and not by accident...

Also a custom Ruger Bisley by Jim Stroh with grips that I did.

These grip shapes aren't identical, but both have some similarity to the FA grip. These type grips handle recoil a heap better than the original SAA.

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Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
4227 is a great powder for that application, has a smooth pressure curve. And, if you're burning it hot, can be very clean.

I read that Hank Williams, Jr likes it in his vintage, 1st Gen .45 SSA's. Hank is a noted Colt collector. Now, it probably leaves some residue in that application. His reason was the smooth pressure curve in those old guns.

I like it in my .45 Colt Marlin Cowboy with 24" barrel. I shoot 300 gr. jacketed and cast bullets with a rather warm load. Burns really clean and it's a 'diller killer. Those big slugs will roll a 'diller with authority. They do tend to over penetrate, however... grin

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You bet DF, iirc HWJ's load is 19 grains under a 255 gr Keith bullet, I use only 25 grains under the 300 grain bullet in the 454C, it is very smooth to shoot, I'm going to be looking for takers this fall to catch and contain one of those bullets, I'm betting they can't. ;]


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Originally Posted by jorgeI
Originally Posted by gunner500
Nice, I just loaded 300 new starline cases with 300 gr Cast Performance WFNGC bullets to an easy, comfortable and accurate 1255 fps with 4227 powder, burns clean at those pressures, don't know what it wouldn't handily dispatch either.

Gunner: I'm loading the following that worked well in my Ruger 454 (since traded smile )
Starline brass
WSR primer
27.5gr H-110
Cast Performance 325gr LFNPD hard cast
1340 fps

Heve not tried it on this gun however


They'll work just fine Jorge, you may want to research the "neck down crimp" thread on these pages, I went back and done the same to all my 454 and 44 mag loaded rounds, the bullets will not move under recoil.


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I'll look into that. So far I used the Lee Factory Crimp die and no issues.


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Originally Posted by gunner500
Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
4227 is a great powder for that application, has a smooth pressure curve. And, if you're burning it hot, can be very clean.

I read that Hank Williams, Jr likes it in his vintage, 1st Gen .45 SSA's. Hank is a noted Colt collector. Now, it probably leaves some residue in that application. His reason was the smooth pressure curve in those old guns.

I like it in my .45 Colt Marlin Cowboy with 24" barrel. I shoot 300 gr. jacketed and cast bullets with a rather warm load. Burns really clean and it's a 'diller killer. Those big slugs will roll a 'diller with authority. They do tend to over penetrate, however... grin

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You bet DF, iirc HWJ's load is 19 grains under a 255 gr Keith bullet, I use only 25 grains under the 300 grain bullet in the 454C, it is very smooth to shoot, I'm going to be looking for takers this fall to catch and contain one of those bullets, I'm betting they can't. ;]

Nope, wouldn't bet on catching one...

Not in a critter...

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Heavy bullets are effective at moderate velocities. A hard cast 45 colt 300 grain Keith flat nose at only 1250 fps will penetrate a cow elk from front to stern.


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IMHO the best grip for the mdl 83 is having the frame roundbutted with micarta scales. Of the dozen plus 83's in various configurations and calibers, that 5 1/2" roundbutted 454 was the best in terms of shootability.

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Going to give this guy a try, maybe in Dall Sheep:

Rowen Custom


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Originally Posted by jorgeI
Going to give this guy a try, maybe in Dall Sheep:

Rowen Custom


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Yeah, that's going first class. It'll cost more but look what you get.

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Well, considering FA wants 300 bucks to have one in wood or micarta installed, this is my view is a better (and better looking) deal.


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Originally Posted by jorgeI
Well, considering FA wants 300 bucks to have one in wood or micarta installed, this is my view is a better (and better looking) deal.

Yeah, that's WAY too much for what you get.

Going with Rowan would be a no brainer, IMO. Besides his stuff looks a lot better, a real custom effect. And, I think it would add more value than going with FA. High quality custom grips really set the tone.

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Cripes, do things get more difficult as you grow older or am I just imagining things. It appears a SIMPLE thing like replacement grips involves a great deal of money which I don't necessarily mind, OR an ETERNITY for turn around AND you must send your gun in for fitting. I mean really!


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Now, that's sharp. Almost too pretty to shoot...

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Jack Huntington will roundbutt and make Mikarta grips for less than FA charges just for the grips.

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For a bit I owned an octagon barreled 45 Colt M97 and while it was clearly well built it was lost on my other custom’s so went down the road. I do have a five shot custom Ruger Bisley that I have owned for years that does shoot very well that will run with the Casuull though if needed.


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