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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper


If I remember correctly, it's only like a 3/4 scale model of Biblical dimensions....


I have always read that the ark was some 450 feet long (300 cubits) the model in question is 510 feet,
maybe because of the modern extended bows?... grin

then there are all kind of variance in ancient cubit measures...

Hebrew (short) 17.5 inches
Egyptian 17.6 inches
Common (short) 18 inches
Babylonian (long) 19.8 inches
Hebrew (long) 20.4 inches
Egyptian (long) 20.6 inches

the thing has a lot of concrete pumped into it as well, Gods building codes were different to Kentuckys..

its makers claim dinosaurs , but also claim they have no idea what type tools Noah used.


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Originally Posted by Gus


the mosquitos, ticks, chiggers & fleas survived?


giant lizards had the giant fleas to match... laugh

https://www.livescience.com/20031-giant-flea-insect-pest-plagued-dinosaurs.html


Scale of dinosaurs to the original ark concept...
https://mythinkblots.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/noahs_ark_dinos_to_scale.jpg

apart from an ark bulging with all such creatures, imagine the many tons of feed required for all
of them each day,....where did Noah store it......???


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The Bible says it was 450' long and 75' wide. It says nothing about the shape, though. I seriously doubt that it had pointed ends. It just needed to be a big box that would float around with God's guidance. No propulsion or guidance needed. Nobody knows, of course, but my guess would be that it looked more like this.

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Dinosaurs were extinct 40 million years ago.

It's sad that Christians would be duped by by atheist con artists that Noah had dinosaurs on the Ark.

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Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
The Bible says it was 450' long and 75' wide. It says nothing about the shape, though. I seriously doubt that it had pointed ends. It just needed to be a big box that would float around with God's guidance. No propulsion or guidance needed. Nobody knows, of course, but my guess would be that it looked more like this.

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I don't think the Old Testament says anything about feet.


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A cubit is estimated to have been about 18". It was 300 cubits long and 50 wide. But I'm sure you already knew that.


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Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
A cubit is estimated to have been about 18". It was 300 cubits long and 50 wide. But I'm sure you already knew that.


Well,

18" is one of about a dozen estimates for the length of a cubit. 18" is the "modern cubit", which is a convenient approximate of the median of the various possible length for the ancient cubits.


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So there'd be room for 2 of every species of land animal there's ever been?

Lets see now, there's about 5400 species of mammal extant, so there's 11,000 animals right off the bat. But there's been many more which are now extinct. Many also only found in places remote from Noah, some separated from him by oceans at the time.

And then there's the better part of 20,000 reptiles, plus all of those now extinct. Quite a few flightless birds, including a whole raft of them up to quite massive sizes away on the other side of the world in New Zealand. And then there's dinosaurs and insects and all the rest.

It sure must have been crowded!

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The vast amount of unrecognized presupposition illustrated here is again almost unbelievable. To begin with, the billions of years old earth is based on philosophical science (not empirically proven) begun primarily in the early 19th century in Europe, accepted, and built on by Darwin with his ORIGINS mid-century. And now taught worldwide, formally, for decades as hard, settled science.

But wait you say, radio isotope dating proves it all. Not quite. Carbon-14 dating? Not necessarily. As to the former, determining the time for “daughter material” to decay from “mother material” is based on a presently known rate of decay (hard science), there are multiple presuppositions used to interpret the answer in years; for one, that the rate of decay has always been the same — uniformitarianism. It might have varied greatly. Greatly.

The earth could be relatively young. There might have been a supercontinent (one land mass) broken up by a world-wide flood followed by an ice age that that resulted in dinosaurs and other mammals becoming extinct. This flood might have resulted in many extinct animals being found as if they had been buried fast and violently. Exihibit A: wooly mammoths intact with food still in there mouths and still intact DNA.

As to the ark holding all of these creatures (dinosaurs) — they needn’t have been adults but rather the very young.

And on and on. A lot of pseudo-science snake oil has been given and swallowed.

Edited to add some references: see works by Jonathon Sarfati PhD and Henry Morris PhD (particularly, the GENESIS FLOOD). And there are many others.

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Interesting thought. But let us consider dinornis species, of which there were several. They were extant in huge numbers in NZ, to the extent that there are whole reefs of their bones. No record or trace of them in the Middle East though, nor outside NZ. So how was it that they could get on the Ark, survive the trip, breed back up again, but yet leave no trace outside NZ?

In fact how do you account for species for which there is ample evidence in locations like Australia, or NZ, or Madagascar, or other locations, but none at all, not even relatives, in the Middle East? How do you account for the Wallace line?

And how do you account for the fact that peoples recorded some species but not others? For example, in Australian cave and other art there's ample evidence for species extant in Australia currently or over the past few thousand years, like roos and wombats and barramundi and turtles and snakes and such, but none for dinosaurs, despite their existence as fossils here. There's little to none of extinct megafauna either. The same in Europe - plenty of cave paintings of deer and elk, and aurochs and the like, but none of dinosaurs. You'd think that folks would have noticed them!

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Originally Posted by Trumpster
Dinosaurs were extinct 40 million years ago.

It's sad that Christians would be duped by by atheist con artists that Noah had dinosaurs on the Ark.



And you know this as fact?

Nevertheless, let's say they were...no need then to speculate how they would fit into the ark...right?

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I always forget how the Penguins got to Noah's boatyard?

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I had to drive past the theme park for a number of years. Things might have changed, but it wasn't a such a hot deal then or now. Gobs of money got thrown at this project, and nobody showed up.


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Originally Posted by Gus
the ark is more about judaism than anything else, right?
the mosquitos, ticks, chiggers & fleas survived?

Hey Gus,
The period of the Old Testament is considered a time of preparation and prophesy of the Messiah. The New Testament time is considered the fulfillment of the prophesy. So it all runs together hence "Judeo-Christian". Always comes up with kids and the ark story, "Did they hafta include the mosquitoes?"


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But wait you say, radio isotope dating proves it all. Not quite. Carbon-14 dating? Not necessarily. As to the former,
determining the time for “daughter material” to decay from “mother material” is based on a presently known rate of decay
(hard science), there are multiple presuppositions used to interpret the answer in years; for one, that the rate of decay
has always been the same — uniformitarianism. It might have varied greatly. Greatly.


Evangelicals don't agree, they have put their 'faith' in the science of C-D.

'2010, evangelical Chinese and Turkish researchers claimed to have found wooden remnants from an “ark-like” structure
around 13,000 feet up Agri Mountain, the highest peak in Turkey,...
They said that carbon dating had revealed the wood to be around 4,800 years old, which conceivably places it in the same
historical period as when the flood was said to have occurred.'

https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Glo...nd-by-claim-of-Noah-s-Ark-find-in-Turkey

All alleged ark discoverers over the years have all turned out to be hoaxes, with people planting false evidence
to support their claims, and also keeping the location of the ark [and the universities that did their analysis]... a secret.

The more rational minded christians have called out such hoaxes.
and more rational minded christians have also said the story of the ark is allegorical.[ ie; purely mythical-symbolic]


Originally Posted by George_De_Vries_3rd

As to the ark holding all of these creatures (dinosaurs) — they needn’t have been adults but rather the very young.
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I could at a wild stretch understand caring parents escorting their young lizards to the ark, and telling them to get on
for their own good,...but not pairs of youngster creatures from all over the globe making the trek by themselves....


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Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
The Bible says it was 450' long and 75' wide. It says nothing about the shape, though. I seriously doubt that it had pointed ends. It just needed to be a big box that would float around with God's guidance. No propulsion or guidance needed. Nobody knows, of course, but my guess would be that it looked more like this.

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The ark did look like a shoe box much like what you have here and not like the fairy tale shape this one copies out of children's sunday school books. What a waste of time and money.

I read something about the proportions that God gave for this project. The article stated that a vessel this shape and proportions would be the most stable and seaworthy possible. Basically, it was perfect for the task.

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Bible does not say the Ark must be a rectangular box.....Scripture does not elaborate about the shape of Noah’s Ark
beyond overall proportion.

The Bible leaves the details regarding the shape of the Ark wide open, the Ky. model may share a similar bow design
to the biblical ark or it may not, nobody really knows.

Mesopotamian pottery from the era not long after the flood, picture vessels with certain aspects of the Ky. design ark.

maybe the savvy Mesopotamia shipwright guys copied the ark cause it was the only ship known to survive... grin


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flood the world is probably a much different concept to people living in B.C., - maybe 4/5 of the world was unknown to them, nor which species existed beyond their natural borders.

It made a story like the ark much more believable I'm sure


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Originally Posted by shaman
I had to drive past the theme park for a number of years. Things might have changed, but it wasn't a such a hot deal then or now. Gobs of money got thrown at this project, and nobody showed up.


Noah is a big deal in Islam too, perhaps they can alter their marketing strategies.


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