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I remember reading here about epoxying Talley's to the receiver before you tighten down the screws. Could you talk me through it? What is being used for an epoxy? Do you roughen, scuff up, the surfaces first? Any threads describing the procedure?
Thanks
Jim
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Why would you want to do this?
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Permanent non-moving attachment.
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Ping pong balls for the win.
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I’ve done this with JB Weld for 25 years... pretty simple.
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I also bed the scope mounts to the receiver using JB Weld. I use Teflon spray on the receiver, bolts and bolt holes, clean the bases then apply epoxy screwing them down into a neutral position (not torqueing them). When epoxy set I then take out the screws and use blue lock tite and torque.
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I also bed the scope mounts to the receiver using JB Weld. I use Teflon spray on the receiver, bolts and bolt holes, clean the bases then apply epoxy screwing them down into a neutral position (not torqueing them). When epoxy set I then take out the screws and use blue lock tite and torque. For me the point is to epoxy it all into a monolithic mount, screws, bases, receiver... all of it.
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I also bed the scope mounts to the receiver using JB Weld. I use Teflon spray on the receiver, bolts and bolt holes, clean the bases then apply epoxy screwing them down into a neutral position (not torqueing them). When epoxy set I then take out the screws and use blue lock tite and torque. For me the point is to epoxy it all into a monolithic mount, screws, bases, receiver... all of it. Brad; Good evening to you, I hope this finds you and your fine family well. If memory serves, the first time I read about epoxying bases onto the receiver was in a Ed Nixon story in hunting magazine entitled "Trophies to Take With You". He was a Montana guide from the Swan Valley and did an Alaska trip where he built a .338 on a BSA action - again if memory serves and it might not after a day in the Okanagan sun. Anyway he talked about epoxying the bases to the receiver, then the bottoms of the Weaver scope mounts in and finally the El Paso Weaver was epoxied in place too. For me it was a watershed moment where a light went on - I'd had a couple of rifles "loosen up" on me, once completely wrecking a late season whitetail hunt one valley over. I began to epoxy the bases onto my "rough use" rifles back then and have been doing that on any rifles passing through my shop unless the owner asks not to. A couple decades of use in the BC and Yukon back country are pretty fair testimony that it works - or so I've come to believe. For sure any horse hunting arms got epoxied bases and rings whenever feasible - even Ruger No 1's and so help me Brad they all worked when asked. Anyway as always it's just one increasingly aging Canuck's thoughts on the matter and nothing more. All the best to you all this summer Brad. Dwayne
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I love how you chummed the water here, waited for someone to try and help Rug3 out, and then stepped in to tell JamesW he's wrong.
Rug3, go with some Dual Dovetails and enjoy the sturdiness a real scope mount has to offer.
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I love how you chummed the water here, waited for someone to try and help Rug3 out, and then stepped in to tell JamesW he's wrong.. I’d like you to point out where I said he was “wrong.” I just pointed out a difference. My previous response was from a phone where details aren’t exactly fun to try to type. Aside, I’m not exactly sure what can be added... if a guy can’t figure how to put epoxy on bases I’m not sure anything I can say will help. The point of my post was to encourage him to do it. Not that hard to understand. Not sure what your problem is...
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I also bed the scope mounts to the receiver using JB Weld. I use Teflon spray on the receiver, bolts and bolt holes, clean the bases then apply epoxy screwing them down into a neutral position (not torqueing them). When epoxy set I then take out the screws and use blue lock tite and torque. For me the point is to epoxy it all into a monolithic mount, screws, bases, receiver... all of it. Brad; Good evening to you, I hope this finds you and your fine family well. If memory serves, the first time I read about epoxying bases onto the receiver was in a Ed Nixon story in hunting magazine entitled "Trophies to Take With You". He was a Montana guide from the Swan Valley and did an Alaska trip where he built a .338 on a BSA action - again if memory serves and it might not after a day in the Okanagan sun. Anyway he talked about epoxying the bases to the receiver, then the bottoms of the Weaver scope mounts in and finally the El Paso Weaver was epoxied in place too. For me it was a watershed moment where a light went on - I'd had a couple of rifles "loosen up" on me, once completely wrecking a late season whitetail hunt one valley over. I began to epoxy the bases onto my "rough use" rifles back then and have been doing that on any rifles passing through my shop unless the owner asks not to. A couple decades of use in the BC and Yukon back country are pretty fair testimony that it works - or so I've come to believe. For sure any horse hunting arms got epoxied bases and rings whenever feasible - even Ruger No 1's and so help me Brad they all worked when asked. Anyway as always it's just one increasingly aging Canuck's thoughts on the matter and nothing more. All the best to you all this summer Brad. Dwayne Dwayne, so nice to hear from you. Life is good, enjoying spectacular weather here in Montana. I started the practice of epoxying bases to the receiver a long time ago. I’d never heard of anyone doing it, it just made sense. Really it just gives old Murphy one less thing to sabotage!
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I epoxy my picatinni rails on my rifles. Screws get blue loctite. Cheap insurance.
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TFF.
Rug3, you don't need to rough up anything if you're intending to glue them on there. Wipe the recvr down with some degreaser and bed away.
Make sure and put some release agent on the screws.
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JB Weld on very well cleaned metal adheres very seriously. I wouldn’t remove any existing metal finishes prior. Chemical solvents can be used to soften/loosen epoxy if that is ever desired.
I agree that epoxy can be a very trustworthy hell-or-high water solution to potential problems. But few people take that as advice until they follow the path Dwayne and others have taken. 😬
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Point out where I said he was wrong...
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Aside, no need for release agent on anything.
Clean and degrease everything, apply JB’s on the bases and screws, put it all together, wipe off the excess epoxy.
To take apart, kiss with a bezomatic, or touch the screws with a soldering iron... I prefer the torch.
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I used to like to super glue my thumb and pointer finger together......
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Aside, no need for release agent on anything.
Clean and degrease everything, apply JB’s on the bases and screws, put it all together, wipe off the excess epoxy.
To take apart, kiss with a bezomatic, or touch the screws with a soldering iron... I prefer the torch. Haha. Totarry predictable.
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I used to like to super glue my thumb and pointer finger together...... 👌 Like this....😎
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Aside, no need for release agent on anything.
Clean and degrease everything, apply JB’s on the bases and screws, put it all together, wipe off the excess epoxy.
To take apart, kiss with a bezomatic, or touch the screws with a soldering iron... I prefer the torch. Haha. Totarry predictable. In the bottle tonight? Still waiting for you to point out where I said the man was wrong...
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