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A few years back I built a 6.5-06AI with the express purpose of having a rifle capable of supersonic velocity out to 1200 yards. It does that with 130g Scirocco II bullets with a MV of 3161fps. It has a heavy barrel which makes it very comfortable to shoot but no tot carry. As a result I've long wished I had a sporter-weight 6.5 fas well.

The 6.5CM is interesting but doesn't do much more than my .257 Roberts +P loads and not as much as my .280RM or magnums. The 6.5 GAP never interested me for a number of reasons including rifle choices, brass cost, etc. I expect the 6.5PRC will have a good following with inexpensive brass with good availability and more options in rifles as well.

I need another rifle like I need a mortgage or a mistress - which is to say not at all. Fortunately, rifles are cheap by comparison and if the right opportunity presents itself a 6.5PRC will likely join the rifles in my safes.


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Originally Posted by huntsman22


hopefully they will build one a little more portable , and I'm in..........

something like the Hawkeye Predator version will do...

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3250fps.....careful you'll over shoot them!


LOL.

I think I showed up on 24HRCF a decade to early.

Had to hold at the hoof line on this bull @ 1102yds with the 140gr VLD.


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Another nice bull by Mr. Burns.


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hopefully they will build one a little more portable , and I'm in..........

something like the Hawkeye Predator version will do...



Since we're dreaming here grin why not partner w/ Bansner and offer a SS Hawkeye in a Bansner stock w/ newly developed aluminum bottom metal, 23.3" tube, chambered in 6.5 PRC.


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Originally Posted by huntsman22


I want a hunting rifle, not an 11 pound target rifle.

Synthetic stock, stainless or blue would work for me. Threaded barrel a plus.


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I just recently got some data for my 6.5 PRC. Used 127 LRX bullets with Reloder 23, BR2 and ADG Brass.

Avg speed was 3030fps. 53.5-54gr. BTO 2.310"

22" Rock Creek Pre-Fit from PVA.

ES and SD were terrible, but was <1/2" @ 100yrds.

I like RL23 for temp stability. New bbl so hope i can get close to 3100-3200fps. No pressure signs.

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6.5 saum, 57.7 grains of rl 26, 143eldx 3105fps. 22” proof.
Things a killer plain and simple.

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Originally Posted by DDRH65PRC
I just recently got some data for my 6.5 PRC. Used 127 LRX bullets with Reloder 23, BR2 and ADG Brass.

Avg speed was 3030fps. 53.5-54gr. BTO 2.310"

22" Rock Creek Pre-Fit from PVA.

ES and SD were terrible, but was <1/2" @ 100yrds.

I like RL23 for temp stability. New bbl so hope i can get close to 3100-3200fps. No pressure signs.



Tagging in on this. My PVA dog days barrel will be deliver tomorrow. 22" 6.5PRC Tikka T3 shouldered light palma contour

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If my memory serves me correctly i'll try and give what I know.

George Gardner of GAP developed the 6.5 SAUM 4s it was designed to be the ultimate short action cartridge as well as offer optimal ballistics for the PRS series which has a velocity cap of 3200ft/sec I believe. Part of the design philosophy was to run long barrels with slow powders(H1000) to get the velocity rather than wringing the performance out by high pressures which ultimately attributes to excellent barrel life in proportion to the performance delivered. The one caveat of the 4s is currently hornady is the only brass available (some form brass from 7 saum norma brass and ect...)

The 6.5 PRC to my understanding was a Hornady/Ruger project that George of GAP helped work on. it too is aimed at the PRS market and is built with similar design principles of the 4s but uses the RCM (ruger compact magnum) as it's parent case rather than the SAUM. The 4s has slightly more capacity over the RCM.

For general purposes there so similar you could likely flip a coin and choose one. The big difference that I see is the RCM is backed by Ruger and Hornady so it could potentially go further in the market just due to the backing of such a giants. don't get me wrong the 4s has it's followers but most who run the 4s have to coin to spring for the best. the PRC could bring a new crowd into the ever growing sport especially when off the shelf guns like Ruger RPR hit the market.

In short the 6.5 PRC was in my opinion designed to pick up where the 6.5 creedmoor leaves off and offers maximum performance within the rules of the game (PRS). It should be an interesting year when they hit the market. and with the BC wars going on and offerings like the new 150smk with its touted .713 G1 BC the velocity the PRC/4s can deliver will be a game changer.

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if Ruger was involved, why were they so late to the game bringing out their own rifles chambered in the PRC? So unlike when the 17HMR and 204 ruger came out......

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pheasant665,

In 2018 I had the opportunity to work extensively with rifles in both 6.5 GAP 4s and 6.5 PRC. Used Hornady brass in both, and measured their water capacity after firing, with the Hornady 143 ELD-X bullet seated to the same overall length. They essentially had the same capacity, within .1 grain--with the .1 edge going to the PRC. (The GAP's case body is slightly larger in diameter, while the PRC's is slightly longer.) Both held .2-.3 grains more water than the 6.5-06.

From what I have heard and read, Ruger was not involved the 6.5 PRC, only Hornady--but the cartridge was designed just before Obama was reelected in 2012, and demand for ALL ammo and handloading components went sky-high, and stayed there until Trump was elected.


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Originally Posted by Hesp
With out a main stream factory rifle being produced both the Gap & PRC are going no where. No matter what redeeming qualities they have , they absolutely require competitively priced factory rifles. Other wise it is an expensive alternative to other competitively factory produced rifle's. This lack of factory produced rifles is a killer. Ruger & Savage have both said no to either cartridge. Remington is dealing with bankruptcy & will not produce any cartridge that isn't a for sure seller. Winchester, very unlikely. No matter how much you love the Gap & PRC reality in the market place determines if a cartridge lives or dies.


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Originally Posted by Kimber7man
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With out a main stream factory rifle being produced both the Gap & PRC are going no where. No matter what redeeming qualities they have , they absolutely require competitively priced factory rifles. Other wise it is an expensive alternative to other competitively factory produced rifle's. This lack of factory produced rifles is a killer. Ruger & Savage have both said no to either cartridge. Remington is dealing with bankruptcy & will not produce any cartridge that isn't a for sure seller. Winchester, very unlikely. No matter how much you love the Gap & PRC reality in the market place determines if a cartridge lives or dies.


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The PRC cartridges are about to really piss off the same crowd that hates the Creedmoors.

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Originally Posted by Hesp
With out a main stream factory rifle being produced both the Gap & PRC are going no where. No matter what redeeming qualities they have , they absolutely require competitively priced factory rifles. Other wise it is an expensive alternative to other competitively factory produced rifle's. This lack of factory produced rifles is a killer. Ruger & Savage have both said no to either cartridge. Remington is dealing with bankruptcy & will not produce any cartridge that isn't a for sure seller. Winchester, very unlikely. No matter how much you love the Gap & PRC reality in the market place determines if a cartridge lives or dies.


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The PRC cartridges are about to really piss off the same crowd that hates the Creedmoors.


Yup, let’s see, rifles are being made in 6.5 PRC by...

Christensen Arms
Sauer
Mauser
Bergara
Ruger
Savage
Browning
Seekins
MRC
Fierce
GAP
Gunwerks
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Makes me wonder how long Remington and Winchester will be around.

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Seems to me like Bergara is the new Remington. No matter what retailer I walk into the selection that’s most represented seems to be Bergara. There are so few Remington rifles on the shelves anywhere I figured they were out of business. Don’t see many Rugers or Winchester’s either. It’s kind of crazy to walk into Sportsman’s Warehouse and to think about what used to be on the shelves versus what you see now. Lots of higher end rifles from Kimber,MRC,CA,Cooper, and Fierce and then a healthy selection of Tikka and Weatherbys. Things sure have changed.

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After seeing Scott’s pictures of his Havak Element and results with factory Hornady, I might have to “luck into one” during their Black Friday sale....


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