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All Trystan has proven is that he can’t count.


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If you put Taco Bell sauce in your ramen noodles it tastes just like poverty
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Originally Posted by Beaver10
Trystan, Who hurt you? Can somebody send him a stuffed doll so he can point to all his pain? JFC! 😎

Bwahahaha!!!!
Omg rolmfao!!!!

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Originally Posted by kingston
All Trystan has proven is that he can’t count.

Or tell the truth. Which has been demonstrated time and time again.

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I’m sure I’ll get flamed myself for this, but why do so many on here get so riled up over other folks’ optics reviews and opinions? Maybe I missed something. Lots of spleen venting to be sure.


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WAM, Not a bad question...For me personally, if a scope is being portrayed as a higher, repeatedly performing optic that suffers fatalities that begin with a 12” drop to a Padded Mat” and then suffers zeroing issue from the soft drop...That’s a red flag. And, that’s right out of the gate for testing by a professional gun and optics user/expert with no agenda.

The problem that gets people “flamed” is instead of calling it a potential issue that may be isolated to just this scope and another scope is offered up for the same-same test. Marketing wants to explore every other potential reason for the failure even going so far as to say in essence the tester had an agenda to prove failure...Or, the scope was passed around like a drunk prom queen runner-up and it’s unknown condition of the scope at the time the Pro shooter/user/tester received it was already damaged, making the test unfair.

I Rep’d high end products for over 20 years. Schit happens! If it’s important to a manufacturer to remedy a core belief based on a test by an individual who is respected almost unanimously that went contrary to the marketing message for the scope...You simply say, “this scope appears to have failed.” I will order up another scope for a test. Then me, as the rep, and my company would look forward to what is learned so we can say either the first scope was a “one off failure”, if the new scope test performed perfectly.

Should the new scope fail again, like the first scope...The information is fed back to the company and either improvements are made to correct the issues uncovered twice...Or, the marketing message gets changed to “It has great optical clarity and will perform above your expectation if mounted on a 22LR...Just my opinion...And I only speak for 1/2 % of the Fire members. 😎


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Originally Posted by kingston
All Trystan has proven is that he can’t count.


Well, that and he likes it up the pooper.

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One thing I have to state is you'll be hard pressed to find a customer who purchased a Tract and isn't happy. I just mounted a Tekoa on my Ruger #1 in 6PPC. I hope to get some rounds down range on Sunday.


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Brian, how about doing the "Box test" for us, twice, with photo's? Thanks RJ

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Originally Posted by rj308
Brian, how about doing the "Box test" for us, twice, with photo's? Thanks RJ



Of course and I will conduct a tall tracking test as well. If you read my other review you'll see the enclosed targets I used.


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I realize this has become a Tract bashing and shellacking thread, but the Toric 8x42 binos are on closeout for $565........this would be stealing. They are solidly in the Meostar HD, Razor HD, Gold Ring HD, and Conquest HD arena.

Now carry on with the persecution.


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Im having trouble counting all the horse tails on this thread!


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Originally Posted by rogn
Im having trouble counting all the horse tails on this thread!


PM Trystan.


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Originally Posted by Beaver10
WAM, Not a bad question...For me personally, if a scope is being portrayed as a higher, repeatedly performing optic that suffers fatalities that begin with a 12” drop to a Padded Mat” and then suffers zeroing issue from the soft drop...That’s a red flag. And, that’s right out of the gate for testing by a professional gun and optics user/expert with no agenda.

The problem that gets people “flamed” is instead of calling it a potential issue that may be isolated to just this scope and another scope is offered up for the same-same test. Marketing wants to explore every other potential reason for the failure even going so far as to say in essence the tester had an agenda to prove failure...Or, the scope was passed around like a drunk prom queen runner-up and it’s unknown condition of the scope at the time the Pro shooter/user/tester received it was already damaged, making the test unfair.

I Rep’d high end products for over 20 years. Schit happens! If it’s important to a manufacturer to remedy a core belief based on a test by an individual who is respected almost unanimously that went contrary to the marketing message for the scope...You simply say, “this scope appears to have failed.” I will order up another scope for a test. Then me, as the rep, and my company would look forward to what is learned so we can say either the first scope was a “one off failure”, if the new scope test performed perfectly.

Should the new scope fail again, like the first scope...The information is fed back to the company and either improvements are made to correct the issues uncovered twice...Or, the marketing message gets changed to “It has great optical clarity and will perform above your expectation if mounted on a 22LR...Just my opinion...And I only speak for 1/2 % of the Fire members. 😎


It is all about comparable products and expectations.

Test a $600.00 hunting scope against a big heavy $2,200. model, and treat them both like a basketball.

Things can happen. This is no surprise. I speak for 95% of Fire members.

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At least the tract guy is on here interacting and engaging users in discussion.

Go read the new username "leupoldoptics" Sig line on his profile
In the vx6 failure thread

Basically

Won't engage in discussions or answer pm,s
Contact customer service link provided

Whatever.............

He still ain't opened my pm laugh whistle laugh

Might even be a sock puppet?




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Is this what you’re talking about?

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Yep.......
Why even bother setting up a username.....


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Originally Posted by Dogshooter
Nobody is “personally attacking you”.... lets leave the “everyone is picking on me” martyr card to the snowflakes.

Generally speaking, Tract flamed themselves..... and your cop-outs (as outlined by 4th Point above) aren’t doing you, or Tract, any favors.



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Tract fruit died on the vine, again. Too bad, as there is a captive audience that would verify and confirm the claims of Tract. It could be a slam dunk for Tract if they had solid product and spokesman.

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Farmboy1,

Actually the Response scope Formidilosus tested is listed at $374 on the Tract site, not $600.

Among the interesting things about this entire thread is how many Campfire members apparently think the failed test of one less-expensive Tract scope means ALL Tract scopes will fail in the same way. This reasoning is known as a "false syllogism," such as "My Labrador retriever is black, therefore all Labs are black." (An even more appropriate false syllogism on the Optics forum would be, "The Leupold scope I've owned for 30 years has never failed, therefore Leupold scopes don't fail.)

Now, before the Response dust-up, Tract said all their scopes are built to the same standards, which is almost as illogical. However, a bunch of other people have tested Tract's highest-priced Toric scope considerably, including one "drop test" I know of identical to Formidilosus's test, a foot onto a pad on top of a shooting bench. The Toric held up fine, and also adjusted accurately, unlike the Response scope.

Yet we keep repeatedly hearing from Campfire members who've never even seen any model of Tract scope, much less mounted one on a rifle, about how they're all OBVIOUSLY pieces of junk. However, I'm not very surprised by this, since after all the Campfire's an Internet site.


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What HAS surprised me is the "dedication" of the no-experience naysayers. The effort expended to discredit something they don't own, or use boggles my feeble old mind. There's lots of stuff I don't care for but I haven't launched a campaign to drive the makers out of business. Must be some kind of personality quirk.


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Originally Posted by Pappy348
What HAS surprised me is the "dedication" of the no-experience naysayers. The effort expended to discredit something they don't own, or use boggles my feeble old mind. There's lots of stuff I don't care for but I haven't launched a campaign to drive the makers out of business. Must be some kind of personality quirk.


The "dedication of the no-experience naysayers" does surprise me, too.

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