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Took his time and put one right in the boiler..  A stupid prize was won.
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Actually, if this shooting is justified (which it doesn't seem to me), it would have nothing at all to do with stand your ground, because being on the ground makes it highly unlikely that he could retreat from a quick follow up attack. IF the attack resumed, and IF he felt he could not retreat, it could be justified. But NOT as his attacker is withdrawing and the immediate threat is gone. Well, yeah. I've already said that was my take on it.
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How many shots do you guys see being fired?
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Police stated that only 1 shot was fired.
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that's way you should not put your hands on somebody you do not know. you mite get your a$$ shot
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Funny how so many people responding here know more about Florida law than the sheriff who has watched the video and heard what witnesses had to say.....
A prosecutor is going to have a tough time winning a case when the sheriff has said publicly that the shooting was justified.
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How many shots do you guys see being fired? I think I see 2 shots fired, one is reported as hitting its target.
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How many shots do you guys see being fired? The video looks like two. Not that it matters.
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He fired in amongst them!! Yep. One of 'em needed some relief! A half assed step back by the aggressor doesn't mean he wasn't going to finish the physical attack that he began. He won't be attacking a much smaller, possibly physically disabled fellow again.
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[ Pussificatiin? I agree, I’d have used my fists, that people think they need to have a gun instead of their own fists shows how far we have fallen in the last 50 years or so.
What if the weapons had been reversed!?!?!?!? What if the guy had charged out of the store with a gun and capped the 'old' guy....... should the 'old' guy have used 'fists' ....... as you say!?!?!?
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... The attack was already in the past, and there was no sign of a new attack coming. .. Well that depends,... the physical attacker is then seen reaching for his waist after the push , apparently that sort of action its good enough reasoning [in many LEO minds] to swiss cheese someone. but courtrooms tend allow LE to get away with responses they would not allow an ordinary pleb.citizen. one could argue he was not shot while his hands were at his waste, but how does one establish that the shooter wasn't not in fair and reasonable imminent fear of harm or his life? If he claimed to see or just fear a gun [even if only imagined] is that sufficient?...cops have used such defence and courtroom judges have bought it. Anyone who decides to physicAlly assault someone, and doesn't have a good follow up response to counter something the other party may then do....
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[ Pussificatiin? I agree, I’d have used my fists, that people think they need to have a gun instead of their own fists shows how far we have fallen in the last 50 years or so.
What if the weapons had been reversed!?!?!?!? What if the guy had charged out of the store with a gun and capped the 'old' guy....... should the 'old' guy have used 'fists' ....... as you say!?!?!?= The ‘Old Guy’ was 47, I guess you could make up a situation like, “what if the guy had charged out with a gun”. Except he didn’t. I am 58 and would have used my fists.
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Actually, I would not have had to use my fists, I would not have placed myself in that situation. Fighting over a parking spot to the death. Brilliant move.
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quote]..
CLEARWATER — Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri announced Friday that his agency will not arrest a man deputies say shot and killed
another man during an argument over a handicap parking space.
The incident falls under Florida’s self-defense law known as "stand your ground," the sheriff said during a news conference. The law gives
immunity to those in fear of their lives who use force to defend themselves.
The shooting "is within the bookends of ‘stand your ground’ and within the bookends of force being justified," the sheriff said, later adding,
"I’m not saying I agree with it, but I don’t make that call."
"This will go to the state attorney. Drejka will not be charged [and] will not be arrested by us," Sheriff Gualtieri said.
"The state attorney will review it and either he’ll concur or not. And, if he concurs, then there’ll be no charge. Period. If he doesn’t concur, then he’ll make a
determination as to what to do with it. And, if he feels like he can overcome that heavy burden at a Stand Your Ground hearing of proving
by clear and convincing evidence that Drejka was not entitled to use force in this circumstance, then that’s the state attorney’s determination to make."
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Sheriffs are not attorneys. I think he misunderstands stand your ground. Unless, as someone suggested, the other guy made moves like he was reaching for a weapon. Still wouldn’t involve stand your ground, though, since retreat wasn’t an option anyway, being sprawled on the ground. Stand your ground only comes into play when retreat might have been an option, ie it eliminates the requirement that this fact be demonstrated. So even without stand your ground, this guy would be safe so long as he can persuade the authorities (or, failing that, a jury) that the attacker still posed, in the judgment of a reasonable person, an imminent threat when he shot him.
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Damn right it posed an imminent threat. It was an uppity with prior coonfrontations with others in the same spot. Had the man stood up and uttered one word to this gibbon, it would have been full blown ch*mpout.
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Damn right it posed an imminent threat. It was an uppity with prior coonfrontations with others in the same spot. Had the man stood up and uttered one word to this gibbon, it would have been full blown ch*mpout. Tough to argue with.
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