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![[Linked Image]](https://i.imgur.com/wtpUE42l.jpg) The top 2 groups are 77 NCC's and the bottom (supposed to be the ammo it likes) 55 NBT's. Not everyday is meant for shooting I guess. Oh and I loaded 10, fired 10 with the 1-4 Trijicon scope but I bet the barrel didn't get above freezing  it was cold today! That's pretty typical of what I see shooting ARs off rests with a similar scope. Even with a Krieger.
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The LMT was shot on an acoustic target through a chrono so every shot could be logged. MK262 Mod 1 ammo is generally around 1.2-1.6 MOA for 10 round groups out of test barrels. This lot has been historically “bad” at around 1.5-2.0 MOA. The first two 10 round groups were 1.23 inch and 1.24 inch. The 30 shot group was 1.31 inches. It is a stellar barrel overall, and quite possibly the most consistent and stable hard us barrel I’ve ever seen.
Assuming the gun was rested on bags & that you were holding it, I think that's probably better than average shooting.  MM
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Assuming the gun was rested on bags & that you were holding it, I think that's probably better than average shooting. MM Yes it was shoulder fired from bags. Every other barrel was in a machine. The LMT could not be due to the barrel extension.
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It would be interesting to see how some other higher end & respected fighting guns would do, like KAC or Colt, in that kind of trial. I've got 3 SR-15's, including one LPR, but since I don't get MK 262 for free to burn up, & it costs me a buck a round, or $200 +, I don't think I'll shoot that test to find out.  MM
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It would be interesting to see how some other higher end & respected fighting guns would do, like KAC or Colt, in that kind of trial. I've got 3 SR-15's, including one LPR, but since I don't get MK 262 for free to burn up, & it costs me a buck a round, or $200 +, I don't think I'll shoot that test to find out. MM I'd shoot 100 of my 73gr eldm's, but like I said, it would be a waste of bullets... I'm like TWR when it comes to shooting my AR's too, 10 shot groups usually only take about a minute to shoot... I'd do the same exact regimen formid did and bring a laser heat gun to test barrel temp too... Maybe next time out... I've got plenty of the 73's loaded up.. Maybe this is the next challenge we can start. Gunner was looking for something else to shoot anyhow..
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Well, obviously, you can shoot it with any ammo, but to make a direct comparison to what he did you really need MK 262.
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It would be interesting to see how some other higher end & respected fighting guns would do, like KAC or Colt, in that kind of trial. I've got 3 SR-15's, including one LPR, but since I don't get MK 262 for free to burn up, & it costs me a buck a round, or $200 +, I don't think I'll shoot that test to find out. MM Both of those have been tested as well. Colts and KAC are both generally very good CL barrels. Expect MK262 to do between 2.5-3.5 MOA for the above 100 rounds from either. The big difference is that this LMT barrel is able to shoot M855A1 to below 3 MOA for 100 rounds. No other CL barrel has broke 6 MOA for the same.
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What's unique about the LMT barrel?
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What's unique about the LMT barrel?
MM The barrel itself? Not much different really. It’s a quality barrel, but I don’t think that is the difference. The difference is the LMT MRP Upper is monolithic. It’s not a normal barrel extension or barrel nut. The barrel to upper has much much less/no flex. The other thing is the gas port is angled 45 degrees. Whether that’s the reasons why? I don’t know.
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Yep, I knew about the monolithic upper; was not aware of the 45 degree gas port.
LMT does a lot of "higher tech" / cutting edge type work; just one gun I've not owned yet.
Do you have an opinion on LWRC stuff in general?
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Yep, I knew about the monolithic upper; was not aware of the 45 degree gas port.
LMT does a lot of "higher tech" / cutting edge type work; just one gun I've not owned yet.
Do you have an opinion on LWRC stuff in general?
MM I’ve used some LWRC quite a bit. In general the 5.56mm guns are fine, however they don’t really offer anything above others. If I had one and it worked, no problem. But I wouldn’t buy one above other options.
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Does that velocity seem a little slow or normal for mk262 in a 16" barrel?
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Not really. Usually you see 2,550-2,650fps for 14.5’s, and 2,600-2,700fps for 16”.
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You guys ever tire of those statements from some individuals on the internet like, "me and my wife can shoot consistent 1/4" 10 shot groups" with a factory rifle and factory ammo. You point them to this thread and their yap instantly slaps closed... I don't know about you guys, but it's cold here and snowing. Nothing better to do than work on an old washing machine that just took a crap and surf the web... At the least, you Cali guys can go and do some shooting for me, since I'm stuck at the house... Just a note on shooting. I did go to the range late yesterday, right before and during a snow storm. I had installed my new SWFA SS 16x and couldn't resist. That thing dialed in so perfectly it wasn't even funny. Shot my first 10 shot group and thought damn, I may have this in the bag. Then I proceded to shoot my Tikka, then my model 10 predator 223. Went down to the range and checked the targets, came back, shot the Tikka 5 more times to finish off that 10 shot group. By that time it was snowing hard. I forgot to bring my walking stick, so I could see the target, so I gave it my best shot with the Savage. You guys would be laughing at that group. I'll post it if you want. I was so disgusted, I packed everything up and didn't even try to shoot the Tikka and predator again. Got home, threw the rifles in the shop on the floor and came in and had a drink.... I love the snow, but it does nothing to improve the group size, when you can't see the target. From what little i saw yesterday, the Savage rifle is still shooting great after the fall and the new scope is working great. I'll test the tracking out when I can go and shoot some steel. Alright Hero, I haven't seen where all the scores are totaled up yet, not sure you've done it, but I certainly haven't, not one gotdamn HALF INCH ALL DAY LONG RIFLE , hell, I haven't seen a half inch gun ONE GD time either!  ; ] Where do all those other guys get rifles like that????? I've added it up. There are 8 guys that have proven they have "moa all day long" rifles here and that they can shoot them as intended. There has also been right at 21,000 views of this thread, so the rest of the guys are watching, thinking do I want to try this or not???.. Mostly it's or not... Right again Big Buddy, we gotta go perch fishing ASAP, all these poor crickets may as well not have to die for nothing, and Thanks, I will keep all the quarter inch guns I find, that's going to be one by god little gun safe!!!!! ; ]
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Ha ha. Yeah, do they make single rifle gun safes? That or a really damn big one, with a sticker on it saying: Reserved for all 5 pound hunting weight internet 1/4 moa rifles... . Not saying you spout that bull schiet, but some internet comandos have some pretty damn vivid imaginations. Not talking about any of you that have contributed to this thread either. I appreciate your honest targets. One local site in particular, you arent allowed to call bullchiet, because thats just poor site etiquette and against the rules, so you have these stupid phu cks spouting off ridiculous accuracy claims. I invited him and his wife to check out this thread and post up some targets. I cant say, post up or shut ths fu ck up there though...
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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LOL, and yes, if someone wants too loose their money, guess we could travel and show em in person, it'd cost em dearly too see we aint BULLCHITTERS!
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I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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You guys ever tire of those statements from some individuals on the internet like, "me and my wife can shoot consistent 1/4" 10 shot groups" with a factory rifle and factory ammo. You point them to this thread and their yap instantly slaps closed... I don't know about you guys, but it's cold here and snowing. Nothing better to do than work on an old washing machine that just took a crap and surf the web... At the least, you Cali guys can go and do some shooting for me, since I'm stuck at the house... Just a note on shooting. I did go to the range late yesterday, right before and during a snow storm. I had installed my new SWFA SS 16x and couldn't resist. That thing dialed in so perfectly it wasn't even funny. Shot my first 10 shot group and thought damn, I may have this in the bag. Then I proceded to shoot my Tikka, then my model 10 predator 223. Went down to the range and checked the targets, came back, shot the Tikka 5 more times to finish off that 10 shot group. By that time it was snowing hard. I forgot to bring my walking stick, so I could see the target, so I gave it my best shot with the Savage. You guys would be laughing at that group. I'll post it if you want. I was so disgusted, I packed everything up and didn't even try to shoot the Tikka and predator again. Got home, threw the rifles in the shop on the floor and came in and had a drink.... I love the snow, but it does nothing to improve the group size, when you can't see the target. From what little i saw yesterday, the Savage rifle is still shooting great after the fall and the new scope is working great. I'll test the tracking out when I can go and shoot some steel. Alright Hero, I haven't seen where all the scores are totaled up yet, not sure you've done it, but I certainly haven't, not one gotdamn HALF INCH ALL DAY LONG RIFLE , hell, I haven't seen a half inch gun ONE GD time either! ; ] Where do all those other guys get rifles like that????? You have to remember only two things about rifles and accuracy: this is the 24hourcampfire and this is the internet. I don’t even try to worry about that mythical rifle that so many people have a dozen of or more. I bave come to the realization that everyone else’s guns shoot half inch groups, their trucks all get 24 miles to the gallon and their reloaders never screw up. Why is it that I always get the junk that shoots an inch and my truck gets 14 mpg? Oh hell, I missed this one, and Yessir, I too am so afflicted!
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I think what this thread really shows is that you don't need a rifle that is 1 MOA for 20 shots to do most things that can be done with a rifle and that includes winning matches (BR excluded). Just look at everything people are accomplishing with rifles that couldn't meet this standard on a good day.
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