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Kimber are 1:9". Savage 280AI are 1:9". And there are plenty of other 1:9" 7mm rifles available for those with the sense to look.
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that puts the super duper BC pills and xtra long monometals out of the game for most 7-Mag owners.
Well, I don't know about the rest of you guys but I'm not really concerned with most "7-mag owners." Not that the 7-mag is the topic of discussion here.......
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At least it's not about 30-06's.....
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I'd like to see a poll of people who have made a shot with a 280 AI, who couldn't of made that shot with a 270.
Except that I'm not sure any of those shots exist.
It's kind of like arguing that your car which tops out at 160 mph is better than a car that tops out at 150.....but of course you can only drive 80 on the road, so it doesn't matter.
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Not worth arguing. 160 is better.
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Not worth arguing. 160 is better. LMAO
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that puts the super duper BC pills and xtra long monometals out of the game for most 7-Mag owners.
Well, I don't know about the rest of you guys but I'm not really concerned with most "7-mag owners." The same still applies to 280 AI...The OP expressed interest in a Kimber with a twist that is not suited to the big BC Berger or Barnes LRX 168 type stuff.... Other rifles like Nosler M48 have the same restriction. Custom rifles with the required special twists are in the minority, especially when talking .280 AI
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that puts the super duper BC pills and xtra long monometals out of the game for most 7-Mag owners.
Well, I don't know about the rest of you guys but I'm not really concerned with most "7-mag owners." The same still applies to 280 AI...The OP expressed interest in a Kimber with a twist that is not suited to the big BC Berger or Barnes LRX 168 type stuff.... Other rifles like Nosler M48 have the same restriction. The 180 VLD will work fine in the 9-ROT Kimber, and with a .673BC to boot. Is there a 270 equivalent?
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When talking big game in NA or Africa I don't see Bergers being mentioned or recommended with the frequency
of Noslers, AFrames, Barnes,etc...and for the sensible pragmatic reasons I stated before.
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Even Jack O'Connor finally realized the 280's superiority over the 270. That was his last custom rifle. Actually he was dissappointed in the 280 saying he couldn't match the velocity of the 140 grain bullet with the 130 gr. 270 bullet. Similar BC and SD back then. Yeah I think that whole "JOC preferred 280 Rem" thing was debunked by BobinNH. Not
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When talking big game in NA or Africa I don't see Bergers being mentioned or recommended with the frequency
of Noslers, AFrames, Barnes,etc...and for the sensible pragmatic reasons I stated before.
No real interest to look up what you might have stated before, but you mentioned the Bergers in the post I replied to. Not sure why, because to you BC is obviously irrelevant.
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... because to you BC is obviously irrelevant.
irrelevant ?....Where did I make such statement?
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Considering the OP said "my typical under 300 yd. hunting" it kinda is...
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..No problem with custom barrels, but I've never found a need for anything heavier than 162g in my 7mm RM...
that just blows another hole in the 7mm greater bullet selection argument...in that most people only utilise a small selection of whats available,... and likely for two main reasons; - common 7mm barrel twists limit the variety of projectiles one can practically use - the majority of hunters typically have a narrow band of loyalty and/or typical stick to tried and true by experience or on sound recommendation. The same is true for the heaviest bullets in many chamberings, including a .270 Win with the standard 1-10 twist rate.. People with greater practical sense are more interested in terminal performance , not number crunching
highest BCs and energy/vel graph plotted nuances (at the shooting distance limits most people operate within) Have to agree with that. A work cohort today was telling me a common story – he buys some ammo, sights it in at 100 and goes hunting. Never shoots over about 150 yards because the terrain he hunts doesn’t allow it.
Rem700 7-mag 1:9 1/4" twist
Howa 1500 1:9:5"
Vanguard 1:9.5"
Sako 1:9.5"
M70 1:9.5"
X -Bolt 1:9.5"
Savage 1:9.5"
Tikka 1:9.5"
Kimber 1:9.5"
that puts the super duper BC pills and xtra long monometals out of the game for most 7-Mag owners.
Let me add Ruger to the list, also with 1-9.5 twist. The “super duper BC pills and xtra long monometals” are “out of the game for most” factory rifles, regardless of chambering.
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Trystan said .284" bullets were stuck in a rut when it comes to high BCs. Just pointing out some of the bullets that are out there that contradict his claim.
No! That's not what I said..........i said it was stuck in a rut as in there are smaller calibers that are suited better for deer hunting and there are larger calibers suited better for elk hunting. The seven sits right in the middle floating around like a redheaded stepchild that runs to fast for the special Olympics but is to slow for the real Olympics. 😒😁😁😁 Trystan Show me a cartridge that is "better" suited for elk hunting. Or deer hunting, for that matter. Or for doing both.
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I have a 280 AI that fits me well, is a tackdriver but is too pretty to take elk hunting. I have a rough old 270 on a Mauser action that gets the nod as backup for my 30-06 on an A3 Springfield action. Thinking about replacing the 270 with a synthetic Vanguard I just bought in 30-06 as backup. But the 280AI makes a nice safe queen!
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The same is true for the heaviest bullets in many chamberings, including a .270 Win with the standard 1-10 twist rate..
.270 180 Woodleigh BC .513 does correctly stabilise with 1:10 and its a serious BG hunting bullet not a BC club show pony that won't take a saddle.
The “super duper BC pills and xtra long monometals” are “out of the game for most” factory rifles, regardless of chambering.
Yep. most people use common twists with common bullet weights and get the job done at most common ranges. Im a 7mm fan , but the hype about 280 AI and better bullet choices is exaggerated, as are some muzzle velocity claims. ie; I doubt some are based on 'safe' loads or common length barrels.
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..No problem with custom barrels, but I've never found a need for anything heavier than 162g in my 7mm RM...
that just blows another hole in the 7mm greater bullet selection argument...in that most people only utilise a small selection of whats available,... and likely for two main reasons; - common 7mm barrel twists limit the variety of projectiles one can practically use - the majority of hunters typically have a narrow band of loyalty and/or typical stick to tried and true by experience or on sound recommendation. The same is true for the heaviest bullets in many chamberings, including a .270 Win with the standard 1-10 twist rate.. People with greater practical sense are more interested in terminal performance , not number crunching
highest BCs and energy/vel graph plotted nuances (at the shooting distance limits most people operate within) Have to agree with that. A work cohort today was telling me a common story – he buys some ammo, sights it in at 100 and goes hunting. Never shoots over about 150 yards because the terrain he hunts doesn’t allow it.
Rem700 7-mag 1:9 1/4" twist
Howa 1500 1:9:5"
Vanguard 1:9.5"
Sako 1:9.5"
M70 1:9.5"
X -Bolt 1:9.5"
Savage 1:9.5"
Tikka 1:9.5"
Kimber 1:9.5"
that puts the super duper BC pills and xtra long monometals out of the game for most 7-Mag owners.
Let me add Ruger to the list, also with 1-9.5 twist. The “super duper BC pills and xtra long monometals” are “out of the game for most” factory rifles, regardless of chambering. Adding a couple, and setting the record straight (again) on Kimber: Kimber 1:9 Christensen 1:9 Cooper 1:9
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Adding a couple, and setting the record straight (again) on Kimber:
Kimber 1:9
Christensen 1:9
Cooper 1:9
My listed numbers were for 7-Mag and Kimber currently shows 7-Mag at 1:9.5" https://www.kimberamerica.com/rifles/action-family/model-8400-magnumKimber .280 AI rifles from past yrs show 1:9.5" , current release 1:9"
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