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Also, what did Uptain do with the pistol that Chubain tossed to him? Story doesn't make sense to me. Something's missing.

"Here's my gun bro, I'm out of here !"...and runs off for help ?...very strange way to deal with imminent danger

Or you can be like Todd Orr and get attacked twice and still endorse bear spray...


During a recent interview with TIME, Orr described how he first spotted the grizzly bear and her cubs while he was hiking through Madison Valley to scout for elk. The next thing he knew, she was charging full speed at him, he said. He used his bear spray, which generally deters aggressive bears, but the grizzly jumped on top of him, biting his head and arms before walking back into the woods.

Let's face it. A lot of people carry guns for defense, but not all have the stones to use them. I'm sure this poor guys' self preservation mechanism kicked in and he high tailed it out of there. I pray for the guide, but fear that the worst may have happened.

Ron

more than likely he was getting killed and didn't even notice the pistol. if you've ever had to fight a animal attacking you, you'd understand. your focus is on that animal not something being tossed to you.

Another case of Bow hunting elk that didn't go right.
A elk shot yesterday still full of guts the next afternoon, giving bears a day to find a dead critter...

Just because somethiing is legal dosen't always mean it is a good idea..

Hope the guide is found Ok but I doubt it. Sad situation.

I've seen the damage a grizzly can do to the human body (Glacier National Park - 1960) and it can be horrendous.

Lousy scene, and since I was not there I shall not make judgement on the hunter.

Damn. Couldn't even get a shot off.

Probably that's the case.

I was about to smirk at Chubain for keeping the pistol in his pack, not on his person, when I remembered the first caribou I shot. I carried the bloody antlers about two miles back to camp with my rifle slung over my shoulder, unloaded, and the ammo IN MY BACK PACK. We had seen six grizzlies from that camp.

Sometimes to the point of being fatal, too.

Exactly.

Idiot.

Regarding that People for the West mention above, I worked for them in the late 1990s and the organization folded (lack of money) in 2001 or 2002. But yes, there is the Wildlands Project, Yellowstone to Yukon and all those are directed at "rewilding" huge areas in not just western America (includes Canada). If you hear someone talking about "conservation biology" and "migration corridors" and "keystone species," that's all part of the theory.
In practical terms, there's also the idea that wildlife populations should be controlled by the top non-human predators, such as grizzlies and wolves so the ecosystem runs without human interference, that's "deep ecology."
While this worldview is not held by many, the fact is, those who DO support this stuff, really support it. If having bears means no hunters, that's okay with them. If having wolves means no ranching, or no hunting, again, okey dokey. And there's so much passion, it results in MONEY and LAWSUITS and POLITICS to the point where the resource sectors and consumptive uses are being singled out and wrecked one by one.
THink how this mauling helps the cause.....that little jolt of fear before booking the trip. The frustration over having tags and then being screwed over by some judge after booking a big money trip. What about next time, will you apply, or do something else?
That bears and other predators are dangerous to human activity, for most of the wildlands acolytes, that's a GOOD thing.

DS as I recall People for the West was opposed to the Wildlands Project. It is not my intent to hijack this thread, I was only trying to point out how these type incidents play into the agenda of rewilding. Lately there have been several stories about four legged cougars interacting with people, grizzly attacks, etc. As laws are passed protecting apex predators there is more human/predator interaction.

These things rarely end well for the human. Easy to second guess but not being there it is hard to really know. Hope it turns out well for everyone except the bear.

Guide's been found. Dead.

i send these articles out to my grandsons, to combat that walt disney great circle of life stuff, about apex predators.

Damn.

Frankly I would have been surprised if he'd been found alive after that.