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No, it's not for sure. And the only first-hand account I've read said the attack happened while they were on horseback dragging the elk out of cover, at least one of them.

So all the uninformed blather about having one guy stand guard while the other works on the carcass is just that--uninformed blather.

I didn't realize I was placing blame...I was commenting on the account provided by the client and my comments were directed more at the content of his character...."HE'S" the one that'll have to live with his actions/inactions.

i have had some close encounters with black bear, but have not with a grizz.
what captivates me is the choice of ammunition and the glock.
few years ago i was hunting in an area of colorado where the state said no grizz. this contradicted with my brothers in law, both cattlemen, that knew the area. They said not many, but they were there.
we were sleeping in a outfitter's canvas tent, and i sure felt better at night with a 7inch barrel vaquero in 45 colt.
using this ammo. https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=38
i still have those two boxes.
i checked both buffalo and underwood last night, both had better ammo that the i think article described 165 grain stuff in this situation.
we have both black bear and mt lion living within the city limits of prescott, az. it's only a matter of time.
there are a lot of new people, mostly california, in the area getting freaked out about encountering coyotes while out walking their dog.
signs along hiking paths in case of lion rattle a can with rocks in it., a bear in the parking lot of a walmart store, and people taking pictures of a
cat just few feet from their kids in a popular lake. Response was just a purty cat.
the problem is people unfamilar with these animals invading so to speak their territory.
i was arguing a few years ago with a guy who did own guns, had a mt lion sleeping on his front porch.
i kept telling him to kill it, which he didn't want to do.

Well said.

FWIW, my comment about placing blame wasn't aimed at you. But reading your quote above, especially the parts about "the content of his character" and "He's the one that'll have to live with his actions," and your other comment to the effect that you wouldn't trust him to go anywhere, it sure sounds like you're placing blame. You can't have it both ways.

Would you volunteer to help him pack out an elk???

I’ve got neither condemnation nor approval for what happened. I’ve spent a fair amount of time in both grizzly (brown bear) territory and black bear country and have seen how fast a “normal” situation can turn into a life and death struggle despite all the best intentions and preparations. A bear can be amazingly quiet for such a big and cumbersome animal and even more amazingly how much ground a determined bear can cover when its mind is made up.

If I hire a guide to take me elk hunting I expect my guide to get me on elk, not to protect me in every possible scenario. The only situation that I might feel differently is in Alaska where the state requires non-residents to hire a guide. Since Alaska is owned by the guides association and they require non-residents hunt with a guide (non-resident guides in many cases) I put more responsibility on the guide (and the guides union/association and the state).

Hiring an elk guide doesn’t mean you hired a body guard and as far as I can tell the guide saved his client and sacrificed himself. That client sounds like a coward of the first order. Having been tested more than a few times I know that my first response is NOT flight therefore my opinion is that a grown man that chooses flight over fight in this situation is a coward. That clown should never hunt in places where bears, cats, or big rocks abound.

I would too.

My 'puter shows 12 pages on this, would be 4 without quotes on quotes on quotes.

I agree...I can't imagine leaving anybody laying on the ground getting his ass chewed up...

I still want a Smith 329PD

Gitcha one. What are you waiting for?

Your ‘puter is providing you with 12 pages, so far, of free arm-chair-quarterbacking entertainment, by people who have no clue how horses or people react during a bear confrontation.

Sit back and eat your popcorn, and enjoy it.

You don't know squat. Unless you've been dragged off a horse by your ankle.

Is that how you were "tested more than a few times?"

I’ll trust what I know over your guessing.

You can use partial quotes and take statements out of context all you want (typical liberal reaction) but it makes you look stupid. You have become more and more argumentative for no good reason, not just this thread but many of the ones you insert yourself in. I don’t know if loneliness and old age is your excuse but either way you just come across as a washed up old crank that gets off on picking internet arguments because you lack excitement in your elderly life. Keep on keeping on champ....you’re always good for a laugh at your own expense.

Take a look at what the stupid phugk who calls himself Quynhu is doing on the Go Fund Me page. And it's only been days the family's been grieving. Low life liberal scum.

Wish I could reach out and touch that sonofabitch.

It is only one on a very long list that needs to be dealt with. It's day will come.

You're a clueless [bleep]. Been tested my ass. Once again I'll ask the question--what is it that makes people like you with no knowledge of or connection to a tragedy like this feel the need to place blame?

And show me where I quoted you out of context.

Careful there....you don’t want to belittle the coward because he’s old man polesmoker’s idol.

“I threw the gun to the guide but it didn’t get to him”. Good plan and great throw. 🙄

I like how the coward gives advice on carrying the proper ammo. WTF does carrying the proper ammo have to do with anything if you’re too scared to use the pistol?

Apparently polesmoker is a coward too. She thinks running away is preferable to standing up like a man. Throwing your pistol to someone getting attacked is preferable to using the pistol in defense of your and your guides life. Leaving a man to die as he fights for his life is okay if you throw him your pistol before taking flight.

The coward showed us his minor scratches (none apparently needed stitches as shown in the video) but I’m sure that the “gore” suffered by the coward reassured old polesmoker that his propensity to run away is warranted.lol

This thread, if nothing else, proves that Polesmoker is a runner not a fighter.....way to go champ. 👍