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Its not the bag. I'm curious as to how it's bedded. There's also probably too much pressure, or uneven pressure on the barrel. Formid is right in his post, but only when dealing with a freefloated barrel. The stock appears to be unoriginal to that rifle. At this point, I'd pillar bed and freefloat the barrel on that rifle. You'll probably have a sub moa shooter then, if done right... furthermore, I'd pull that damn 2.5-8 off, get rid of those qd's and start over. Leopold DD's would be better. Ouch! That’s harsh, about the QD’s! Been using them for years ( around 20 years), and no problems. Though, they are for a back-up scope, and not been needed. But, when tested....did fine! “If”, and I repeat “IF”, I do my part... my old AI, can put 3 under 2” at 300 yrds.! Now.....your gonna go and give me something else to worry about! memtb PS: You’re also pretty hard on a scope that served well for over 20 years! Why are ya “pick’n” on my rig !! Ha ha.. It's better to pick on you than your wife. She's tough, shooting that 338 and all...
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Just a quick update of this subject.
So, eventually, I get the rifle to shoot 1 moa. I had removed the sling, sling stud, unscrew the middle screw a bit, remove the rear sandbag...
There was a huge part of it was because I am not a sharpshooter. I have shot another person's Bergara HMR at the range right after he put a nice sub moa on the target...I couldn't repeat his group. Put your sling back on, the sling stud back on, keep the middle screw as you have it set now (which I hope is just snug like everyone has been telling you) and put that bag just ahead of the trigger guard. Use your rear bag. Play with the barrel boss screw/forend screw and see if accuracy changes. Go back to the basics and proper fundamentals for shooting accurately. Breathing, trigger control, sight alignment and follow through. Practice practice practice... If you want to make your buddies Bergara look silly, have a professional properly glass bed the rifle, fine tune the trigger and learn to hand load an accurate load for it... He'll be chasing his tail trying to catch up...
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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I have been shooting M/70's since 1973 and have never had to glass bed/pillar bed or fool with the bedding in any way in order to get a rifle to shoot satisfactory groups.
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You are wasting your time shooting targets. Targets are made by ammo and component manufacturers and the paper is made with mobile ink that moves around on the paper. That way you just keep shooting and buying more ammo and components trying to cure a problem that doesn’t even exist...
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I have been shooting M/70's since 1973 and have never had to glass bed/pillar bed or fool with the bedding in any way in order to get a rifle to shoot satisfactory groups. "Satisfactory" to you may be sub par to others. There's a reason guys send their rifles to guys like redneck for bedding and trigger work. As well, some of us are equally capable of doing the work themselves. Pillars and Glass bedding help to maintain consistent accuracy. To think or say otherwise may be a testament or admittance to the blatant lack of knowledge one has on the subject.
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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You are wasting your time shooting targets. Targets are made by ammo and component manufacturers and the paper is made with mobile ink that moves around on the paper. That way you just keep shooting and buying more ammo and components trying to cure a problem that doesn’t even exist...
Now THAT'S logic. Amen brother!
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Just a quick update of this subject.
So, eventually, I get the rifle to shoot 1 moa. I had removed the sling, sling stud, unscrew the middle screw a bit, remove the rear sandbag...
There was a huge part of it was because I am not a sharpshooter. I have shot another person's Bergara HMR at the range right after he put a nice sub moa on the target...I couldn't repeat his group. Put your sling back on, the sling stud back on, keep the middle screw as you have it set now (which I hope is just snug like everyone has been telling you) and put that bag just ahead of the trigger guard. Use your rear bag. Play with the barrel boss screw/forend screw and see if accuracy changes. Go back to the basics and proper fundamentals for shooting accurately. Breathing, trigger control, sight alignment and follow through. Practice practice practice... If you want to make your buddies Bergara look silly, have a professional properly glass bed the rifle, fine tune the trigger and learn to hand load an accurate load for it... He'll be chasing his tail trying to catch up... If that ain't a cold looking summitch! Getting nipples just looking at that. Good post too.
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I also have to trouble with those group. Then hit me. I get closer. Problem solve. All shot same hole. You welcome.
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FYI Mr. BSA know it all, satisfactory is a MOA 3 shot group at 100 yds. without glass/pillar bedding. My .35 Whelen has been consistently producing this level of accuracy for 25 yrs. now. Send your rifle to whomever or do it yourself whatever floats your boat.
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You are wasting your time shooting targets. Targets are made by ammo and component manufacturers and the paper is made with mobile ink that moves around on the paper. That way you just keep shooting and buying more ammo and components trying to cure a problem that doesn’t even exist...
[quote=shrapnel] A strong argument for making your own targets! memtb
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Iviax,
You asked "What are your thoughts?"
It's where the FIRST shot goes from a hunting rifle that matters to me!
Test your hunting rifles as to where the first shot goes!
If it hit's on you don't need more shots! So what's a reliable test for that? Fire one shot per day on the same target, for many days under different weather conditions! memtb
You should not use a rifle that will kill an animal when everything goes right; you should use one that will do the job when everything goes wrong." -Bob Hagel
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It most often is the nut behind the bolt causing the issue.
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I talked with the friend who checked my rifle when the rifle couldn't group well. He brought the rifle home and found the ring base was loose and he tightened it for me.
30-06 must have some recoil that the base was loose after a few boxes.
I told him that I can shoot 1 moa now. He's happy that he solved the problem for me.
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Today, I switch my ammo from Remington Corelokt 150gr to Federal Non-typical whitetail soft point 150gr. I can feel the new ammo has less recoil. 1) The first shot was where I found it on the target. So it didn't take any effort to get close to the bullseye. 2) The second group, I shot 4 times. The group seems good enough. 3) The third group, I made 3 shots. I made the adjustment and 4 clicks to the right. I shot a bit low, but the group was tight enough. So I am very happy about the rifle and new ammo. I will be using it from now on.
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Most often...it’s the simplest things. When I get a new (to me) rifle, before ever shooting it, I remove the action from stock, clean the action bolts and action threads and loctite and torque. Remove scope bases, and do the same as action bolts.....repeat with scope rings! Now....I’m ready to take a few shots! These steps, are like the “cornerstone” or foundation of a building.....these must be correct for the building to be structurally sound!
It looks as though, you’ve got things headed your way! Congrats! It appears to be shoot’n pretty good. Enjoy the little victories! memtb
You should not use a rifle that will kill an animal when everything goes right; you should use one that will do the job when everything goes wrong." -Bob Hagel
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Removing the Most often...it’s the simplest things. When I get a new (to me) rifle, before ever shooting it, I remove the action from stock, clean the action bolts and action threads and loctite and torque. Remove scope bases, and do the same as action bolts.....repeat with scope rings! Now....I’m ready to take a few shots! These steps, are like the “cornerstone” or foundation of a building.....these must be correct for the building to be structurally sound!
It looks as though, you’ve got things headed your way! Congrats! It appears to be shoot’n pretty good. Enjoy the little victories! memtb reinstall the ring base and ring, scope kind of did the trick. I do like the new ammo a lot. less recoil and better results.
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As a non-handloader, you’ll likely invest in several brands, bullet types and weights of ammo....before you find the one that works best for you! memtb
You should not use a rifle that will kill an animal when everything goes right; you should use one that will do the job when everything goes wrong." -Bob Hagel
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I talked with the friend who checked my rifle when the rifle couldn't group well. He brought the rifle home and found the ring base was loose and he tightened it for me.
30-06 must have some recoil that the base was loose after a few boxes.
I told him that I can shoot 1 moa now. He's happy that he solved the problem for me. That's a good reason to pull those windage adjustable mounts and use some DD's.
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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I talked with the friend who checked my rifle when the rifle couldn't group well. He brought the rifle home and found the ring base was loose and he tightened it for me.
30-06 must have some recoil that the base was loose after a few boxes.
I told him that I can shoot 1 moa now. He's happy that he solved the problem for me. That's a good reason to pull those windage adjustable mounts and use some DD's. What does DD stand for?
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