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I wouldn’t be scared for sure, I’d chose 17 rounds over 6 any day of the week.


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I'd say Phil is the only one here that can say unequivocally that it will work. He used an S&W 3953 and 147 grain Buffalo Bore Hard casts. The only other one I know of was down on the Russian river, several years ago. That guy had the same strategy as you. Fling a pile of 9mm rounds at a juvenile bear. Bear ended up taking off and had to be hunted down and dispatched. Shots in the noggin may or may not be effective. Phil got the job done with 7 rounds but he was intimately familiar with parts of a grizzly. Plus he was close enough to ensure he would put the bullets in the exact and correct spots. Like anything else, you pay your money, you take your chances. Personally, I've spent lots of years around bears in Alaska and I got for having an edge with the rounds I'm using. My common carry was a 44 mag 305 grain Buffalo Bore Hard cast. I'm not big on the small bullet theory that is so popular these days. Small bullets puts the onus on the shooter to place those rounds expertly. Phil did it, If you think you can do the same, go for it. I prefer having the fire power edge on my side.


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The question isn’t IF it would kill a Grizzly. The question is, will it die before it mauls you to death, eats you, and [bleep] you out?

My friend tried using his 9mm to dispatch a wounded Whitetail, instead of taking his .308 Win., as I suggested. I didn’t go (was cooking dinner at camp), but when he came back, he wasn’t happy, and said it took several headshots at close range before the Deer succumbed. Hold a 9mm parabellum cartridge next to a 30-30 Win. cartridge.


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Phil says in the article that he usually carried a .44 magnum before this incident. I wonder what he carries now.

I think I'd carry one of those new Mossberg 12 gauge pump action "pistols," slung over my shoulder and loaded with slugs.


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Y’all obviously haven’t seen how the gold dots penetrate and expand lately.


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Here's what Elmer said about them. It sounds true.

Most Grizzlies are content to mind their own business, and unless wounded will usually do just that, but once their anger is aroused you have an adversary worthy of the best that is in you and one that will come with determination.

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Firepower over accuracy is usually not a good policy.
But for grizzly, when you realize any handgun is seriously under powered,
a chambering with enough crap to get a bullet where it needs to go, and a bullet that will get there, is the goal.
Being as you don't have much poop, the ability to quickly put multiple rounds on target beats one or two more powerful,
but not more effective, rounds.


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Originally Posted by Hammer2506
So a 9mm (.355”) at 1250 FPS is different than a 357 (.358”) at 1250 FPS , some of y’all underestimate the power of centerfire pistols and rifles.

A 357 is what Phil packed for many years - right up 'til he gave it to his (then) 16 year old daughter.
More the bullet than the gun - and more the Indian than any armament!


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I would definetly feel more comfortably with more rounds that I could control than any 6 cylinder 4” barrel hand cannon. I plan on maybe visiting Yellowstone next year and I’m not planning on becoming bear schitt.


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Originally Posted by Hammer2506
Y’all obviously haven’t seen how the gold dots penetrate and expand lately.


Lately? Did they change the design? They’ve been around forever, old scheit. I’ll take an HST over a Gold dot any day. Neither for a bear.


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I’ll go with what I know.


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I used a 380 with Hornady hollow points to dispatch an elk I hit with a van. One shot behind the ear, done.
I don't want to try the grizzly vs 9mm trick. Phil Shoemaker, I am not. I'll take my 45 colt and 285gr cast bullets cruising along at about 1000fps. I can shoot it in a hurry if I need to.


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Originally Posted by Hammer2506
I’ll go with what I know.


Then why ask here?


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It sure sounds like you have your mind all made up, and are just asking for some reinforcement. Good luck to you.

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They have been killed with a 22 one time by an old lady years ago


World record, at that. Of course, it was about to eat her as she was at the creek washing clothes and her single-shot .22 was all she had. P



The story I read was she was picking berries and the griz was walking down the trail. Didn’t know she was there. She stuck the barrel of the .22 out from behind the bushes she was hiding in and shot him behind the ear.





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Might I suggest a .25 ACP, since it's all about bullet construction?


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Hell, why not an icepick? You don't have to worry about it jamming, and it'll penetrate like a sumbitch............


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Originally Posted by SandBilly
Originally Posted by Hammer2506
I’ll go with what I know.


Then why ask here?



Because there plenty of keyboard cowboys here who’ll give you they’re best smartass answer.


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