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That five inches makes a lot of difference!!

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Chopped my 6.5-06 from 24.5 to 18". Cost me around 140 fps with 140 vld. Removed barrel section weighed exactly what a UL7 weighs and still getting 2800 fps. Just quieter. I'd cut to whatever length balances and rock on.

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Great reference! Check out the lower tables on the page comparing to the 308 and 300 WM ballistics


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Likely optimum velocity is a product of bullet, powder, load, and barrel length. A single chop trial is not going to answer every question. If one starts long, he can always keep chopping. Few options if one begins on the short side.

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Have a 6mmBR has a 16.5 inch barrel with a 10 inch suppressor at the end. Compared to my 24 inch 6mm BR there is a 220 FPS loss with the 16.5 inch barrel and suppressor. However, have yet to see a coyote or p-dog step out of the way of a 87 grain Vmax.

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I cut my 6x47 Lapua down from 28” to 22” and lost 80fps... well worth it to me


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Just got my 6.5 Creed CTR put back together after having the barrel cut down to 18.

Boy this is nice to handle.

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Loud as hell also if you don't have a can on the muzzle. I have a 19.5" 7x57 Fabrique Nationale Mauser carbine, handy, but ungodly loud! No doubt that these short barrels damage your hearing...concussion. I do not shoot my carbine much anymore for this reason.
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Originally Posted by keith
Loud as hell also if you don't have a can on the muzzle. I have a 19.5" 7x57 Fabrique Nationale Mauser carbine, handy, but ungodly loud! No doubt that these short barrels damage your hearing...concussion. I do not shoot my carbine much anymore for this reason.
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You do know that long barrels also damage your hearing??

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Well if it helps, I have two Tikka's, one 22" and the other, 24".
The last range session compared R-16 with the 130gr. Acc. and 143gr. ELD-X. Chrony on ten each yields a 40-50 fps gain with the extra 2 inches.


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Originally Posted by bigwhoop
Well if it helps, I have two Tikka's, one 22" and the other, 24".
The last range session compared R-16 with the 130gr. Acc. and 143gr. ELD-X. Chrony on ten each yields a 40-50 fps gain with the extra 2 inches.


What are your velocities?

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I have concluded that the extra inches are worth it to me; decreased muzzle blast and increased velocities. I don't wear hearing protection when I hunt. I don't like barrels under 24" unless they are mild cartridges. A leave all my 6.5-284s at 25". Did the same on my 6x47L. Much easier on the hearing and face when hunting.

I don't have to clear buildings anymore so no need for an SBR.


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I tried to purchase the 24' 6.5 Creed but Baretta in its infinite wisdom has not imported them to Australia - Strangely they did bring in a 20inch version - so I'm wondering if anyone has data for the 6.5 Creed with 140/147's and RL16 or RL26 or H4350? Thanks, DG

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Originally Posted by DG1969
I tried to purchase the 24' 6.5 Creed but Baretta in its infinite wisdom has not imported them to Australia - Strangely they did bring in a 20inch version - so I'm wondering if anyone has data for the 6.5 Creed with 140/147's and RL16 or RL26 or H4350? Thanks, DG



I have loaded 143s and 147s in 6.5 CMs with RL-26 in 18", 20", and 24" barrels. What would you like to know exactly?

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Excellent, thanks. My tikka barrel is 20', I'm sitting on a metric shi*#load of H4350, 140gr & 147gr Eldm 's. I'd love to know what my velocity potential is with the 20' tube. I'd prefer not to have to use a different powder but I like what I'm seeing in RL16/26. I'm in Australia and experience huge temperature variations at my ao. If I can net 2700fps with the 140's ill call it good.

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Regardless of ballistics, I have confirmed my optimum length for rifle barrels are 20-22". With quality scopes, MV doesn't mean much these days with the right bullet....

After 18", noise doesn't really change all that much IME...


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23"...then go kill stuff!!

28" kills 'em deader.......


Providing you know what you're doing at the loading bench, like Aalf, this is true.

Personally, I'd go with a 26" barrel. It about the longest you can go and keep a reasonable balance with an appropriate weight barrel.


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check Hatcher's Notebook. Even with old time powders, the .30-06 gained velocity all the way to the 29" max tested. Melvin is building a .260 Rem for me with 26" barrel.


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