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Boddington........isn't he the expert that, up until a few short years ago, claimed that anything under .30 cal was inadequate for elk sized game because of the "lack of frontal area" provided by .284 class bullets? I couldn't take him seriously after that, even if he is an "expert". I also have a problem with anyone who files for bankruptcy and screws his creditors while continuing to hunt all over the world. I know that has little to do with caliber/cartridge selection but it says a whole lot about a guy's character.
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Don't get me wrong, it killed the elk without a question. It's hanging in my shop right now and couldn't be any deader. I'm just saying I have shot what I consider a lot of elk (about 30-35) and been with friends and family on 3 times that many elk kills. . I didn't like the performance and I won't use it on elk again myself. If I'm hunting with a grandson or someone who needs a light recoiling rifle to borrow for elk, I will loan my 7mm08. I will keep the 6.5 cm for fun and antelope Use whatever works for you. In my opinion it's too light for elk where and how I hunt.
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Boddington........isn't he the expert that, up until a few short years ago, claimed that anything under .30 cal was inadequate for elk sized game because of the "lack of frontal area" provided by .284 class bullets? I couldn't take him seriously after that, even if he is an "expert". I also have a problem with anyone who files for bankruptcy and screws his creditors while continuing to hunt all over the world. I know that has little to do with caliber/cartridge selection but it says a whole lot about a guy's character. I was unaware he filed for bankruptcy. When was that?
I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle. I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
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I just shot an elk with the 6.5 creedmoore 1/12/19. I shot an antelope with it at the beginning of the season. I had a late season cow tag and wanted to try the 6.5 cm. The antelope was shot with the Hornady eldx and I thought it came apart to easy on the small animal. I used a Swift scirroco on the elk. It's dead but no reaction for quite a while 400 yard shot and no indication I hit it. Glad I was in the open instead of timber I will never use the 6.5 cm on elk again. Just my opinion. It kills them but not what I would consider a decent elk cartridge. I'm back to the 7 mag for elk killing. FYI the bullet entered just behind the shoulder and exited just in front of the off side diaphragm. Elk went about 50-75 yards but I thought I missed. No reaction. Glad I went to check for a blood trail. Very similar performance to a .223 on deer in my experience. You're bitching about an elk going 50-75 yds? You must usually shoot drugged elk. And maybe the problem is that you picked a "tough" bullet shot at fairly moderate velocity at an animal at a fairly long distance, and expected some lightning-bolt-kill, instead of a relatively small wound channel that efficiently put down the elk. Maybe you should have stuck with the ELD-X. Maybe you make the mistake that many make: that if a bullet comes apart on a smaller animal, it will DEFINITELY FAIL on a larger one. This is wrong. I don't know why so many who have killed so many animals still believe this. Maybe you should take some accountability for your choices, for your own ignorance, instead of blaming a headstamp. JMO.
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Boddington........isn't he the expert that, up until a few short years ago, claimed that anything under .30 cal was inadequate for elk sized game because of the "lack of frontal area" provided by .284 class bullets? I couldn't take him seriously after that, even if he is an "expert". I also have a problem with anyone who files for bankruptcy and screws his creditors while continuing to hunt all over the world. I know that has little to do with caliber/cartridge selection but it says a whole lot about a guy's character. I was unaware he filed for bankruptcy. When was that? I am interested in this too. I'd be a bit dissappointed in the guy if this is true. He does push the heavy hitters, which I disagree with. Maybe I should say I am more jealous of his travels and hunts than anything else...though I don't think I have ever read about one of his adventures being DIY...
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I just shot an elk with the 6.5 creedmoore 1/12/19. I shot an antelope with it at the beginning of the season. I had a late season cow tag and wanted to try the 6.5 cm. The antelope was shot with the Hornady eldx and I thought it came apart to easy on the small animal. I used a Swift scirroco on the elk. It's dead but no reaction for quite a while 400 yard shot and no indication I hit it. Glad I was in the open instead of timber I will never use the 6.5 cm on elk again. Just my opinion. It kills them but not what I would consider a decent elk cartridge. I'm back to the 7 mag for elk killing. FYI the bullet entered just behind the shoulder and exited just in front of the off side diaphragm. Elk went about 50-75 yards but I thought I missed. No reaction. Glad I went to check for a blood trail. Very similar performance to a .223 on deer in my experience. You're bitching about an elk going 50-75 yds? You must usually shoot drugged elk. And maybe the problem is that you picked a "tough" bullet shot at fairly moderate velocity at an animal at a fairly long distance, and expected some lightning-bolt-kill, instead of a relatively small wound channel that efficiently put down the elk. Maybe you should have stuck with the ELD-X. Maybe you make the mistake that many make: that if a bullet comes apart on a smaller animal, it will DEFINITELY FAIL on a larger one. This is wrong. I don't know why so many who have killed so many animals still believe this. Maybe you should take some accountability for your choices, for your own ignorance, instead of blaming a headstamp. JMO. Wow, you act like the guy just ran over your dog? He's just giving his opinion base on "his" experience. "Use whatever works for you. In my opinion it's too light for elk where and how I hunt."
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I just shot an elk with the 6.5 creedmoore 1/12/19. I shot an antelope with it at the beginning of the season. I had a late season cow tag and wanted to try the 6.5 cm. The antelope was shot with the Hornady eldx and I thought it came apart to easy on the small animal. I used a Swift scirroco on the elk. It's dead but no reaction for quite a while 400 yard shot and no indication I hit it. Glad I was in the open instead of timber I will never use the 6.5 cm on elk again. Just my opinion. It kills them but not what I would consider a decent elk cartridge. I'm back to the 7 mag for elk killing. FYI the bullet entered just behind the shoulder and exited just in front of the off side diaphragm. Elk went about 50-75 yards but I thought I missed. No reaction. Glad I went to check for a blood trail. Very similar performance to a .223 on deer in my experience. I have shot elk with 160 Partitions from a 7 mag, that had that same response. Sometimes it takes them a bit to figure out that they are dead, if you did not hit bone.
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Boddington........isn't he the expert that, up until a few short years ago, claimed that anything under .30 cal was inadequate for elk sized game because of the "lack of frontal area" provided by .284 class bullets? I couldn't take him seriously after that, even if he is an "expert". I also have a problem with anyone who files for bankruptcy and screws his creditors while continuing to hunt all over the world. I know that has little to do with caliber/cartridge selection but it says a whole lot about a guy's character. I was unaware he filed for bankruptcy. When was that? I am interested in this too. I'd be a bit dissappointed in the guy if this is true. He does push the heavy hitters, which I disagree with. Maybe I should say I am more jealous of his travels and hunts than anything else...though I don't think I have ever read about one of his adventures being DIY... Court records show 2012-2014
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I casually know Craig from the fishing lodge in BC where we both fish most years. Nice guy, served in the Marines, good writer, and knowledgeable gun guy. I know nothing about his personal life, but I do think he re-tooled spousal units a few years ago which may be the root cause of filing. Wouldn’t be the first time that happed to even a good guy....
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Boddington........isn't he the expert that, up until a few short years ago, claimed that anything under .30 cal was inadequate for elk sized game because of the "lack of frontal area" provided by .284 class bullets? I couldn't take him seriously after that, even if he is an "expert". I also have a problem with anyone who files for bankruptcy and screws his creditors while continuing to hunt all over the world. I know that has little to do with caliber/cartridge selection but it says a whole lot about a guy's character. I was unaware he filed for bankruptcy. When was that? I am interested in this too. I'd be a bit dissappointed in the guy if this is true. He does push the heavy hitters, which I disagree with. Maybe I should say I am more jealous of his travels and hunts than anything else...though I don't think I have ever read about one of his adventures being DIY... Court records show 2012-2014 Would that be about the time his daughter had the accident in Africa and shot a guy/tracker?
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Boddington........isn't he the expert that, up until a few short years ago, claimed that anything under .30 cal was inadequate for elk sized game because of the "lack of frontal area" provided by .284 class bullets? I couldn't take him seriously after that, even if he is an "expert". I also have a problem with anyone who files for bankruptcy and screws his creditors while continuing to hunt all over the world. I know that has little to do with caliber/cartridge selection but it says a whole lot about a guy's character. I was unaware he filed for bankruptcy. When was that? I am interested in this too. I'd be a bit dissappointed in the guy if this is true. He does push the heavy hitters, which I disagree with. Maybe I should say I am more jealous of his travels and hunts than anything else...though I don't think I have ever read about one of his adventures being DIY... July 2013 Chapter 7. It was discussed over here...... https://www.africahunting.com/threads/cb-finance-debate-egg-recipes-etc.42879/page-2[img] https://www.africahunting.com/attachments/screen-shot-2018-04-06-at-09-58-47-png.223999/[/img]
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Boddington........isn't he the expert that, up until a few short years ago, claimed that anything under .30 cal was inadequate for elk sized game because of the "lack of frontal area" provided by .284 class bullets? I couldn't take him seriously after that, even if he is an "expert". I also have a problem with anyone who files for bankruptcy and screws his creditors while continuing to hunt all over the world. I know that has little to do with caliber/cartridge selection but it says a whole lot about a guy's character. I was unaware he filed for bankruptcy. When was that? I am interested in this too. I'd be a bit dissappointed in the guy if this is true. He does push the heavy hitters, which I disagree with. Maybe I should say I am more jealous of his travels and hunts than anything else...though I don't think I have ever read about one of his adventures being DIY... July 2013 Chapter 7. It was discussed over here...... https://www.africahunting.com/threads/cb-finance-debate-egg-recipes-etc.42879/page-2[img] https://www.africahunting.com/attachments/screen-shot-2018-04-06-at-09-58-47-png.223999/[/img] At the risk of piling on, I did see a custom rifle he ordered from a custom gun maker in Havre, Montana. It was a takedown, left handed action with high quality engraving and gold inlay. It also had Boddington's name inletted into the rifle with the rank of "General USMC" engraved on it. It was over $25,000.00 worth of rifle and work and Boddington never picked it up. It is hard to sell a highly embellished gun to someone who doesn't have the same name, rank and serial number...
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Boddington........isn't he the expert that, up until a few short years ago, claimed that anything under .30 cal was inadequate for elk sized game because of the "lack of frontal area" provided by .284 class bullets? I couldn't take him seriously after that, even if he is an "expert". I also have a problem with anyone who files for bankruptcy and screws his creditors while continuing to hunt all over the world. I know that has little to do with caliber/cartridge selection but it says a whole lot about a guy's character. I was unaware he filed for bankruptcy. When was that? I am interested in this too. I'd be a bit dissappointed in the guy if this is true. He does push the heavy hitters, which I disagree with. Maybe I should say I am more jealous of his travels and hunts than anything else...though I don't think I have ever read about one of his adventures being DIY... July 2013 Chapter 7. It was discussed over here...... https://www.africahunting.com/threads/cb-finance-debate-egg-recipes-etc.42879/page-2[img] https://www.africahunting.com/attachments/screen-shot-2018-04-06-at-09-58-47-png.223999/[/img] At the risk of piling on, I did see a custom rifle he ordered from a custom gun maker in Havre, Montana. It was a takedown, left handed action with high quality engraving and gold inlay. It also had Boddington's name inletted into the rifle with the rank of "General USMC" engraved on it. It was over $25,000.00 worth of rifle and work and Boddington never picked it up. It is hard to sell a highly embellished gun to someone who doesn't have the same name, rank and serial number... I always thought deflave Precision specialized in the tactical stuff.
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Boddington........isn't he the expert that, up until a few short years ago, claimed that anything under .30 cal was inadequate for elk sized game because of the "lack of frontal area" provided by .284 class bullets? I couldn't take him seriously after that, even if he is an "expert". I also have a problem with anyone who files for bankruptcy and screws his creditors while continuing to hunt all over the world. I know that has little to do with caliber/cartridge selection but it says a whole lot about a guy's character. I was unaware he filed for bankruptcy. When was that? I am interested in this too. I'd be a bit dissappointed in the guy if this is true. He does push the heavy hitters, which I disagree with. Maybe I should say I am more jealous of his travels and hunts than anything else...though I don't think I have ever read about one of his adventures being DIY... July 2013 Chapter 7. It was discussed over here...... https://www.africahunting.com/threads/cb-finance-debate-egg-recipes-etc.42879/page-2[img] https://www.africahunting.com/attachments/screen-shot-2018-04-06-at-09-58-47-png.223999/[/img] At the risk of piling on, I did see a custom rifle he ordered from a custom gun maker in Havre, Montana. It was a takedown, left handed action with high quality engraving and gold inlay. It also had Boddington's name inletted into the rifle with the rank of "General USMC" engraved on it. It was over $25,000.00 worth of rifle and work and Boddington never picked it up. It is hard to sell a highly embellished gun to someone who doesn't have the same name, rank and serial number... That's dissappointing. Calhoun? I would question having his serial (did you mean service) number being engraved onto a rifle...as it is nothing more than his SSN.
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Boddington........isn't he the expert that, up until a few short years ago, claimed that anything under .30 cal was inadequate for elk sized game because of the "lack of frontal area" provided by .284 class bullets? I couldn't take him seriously after that, even if he is an "expert". I also have a problem with anyone who files for bankruptcy and screws his creditors while continuing to hunt all over the world. I know that has little to do with caliber/cartridge selection but it says a whole lot about a guy's character. I was unaware he filed for bankruptcy. When was that? I am interested in this too. I'd be a bit dissappointed in the guy if this is true. He does push the heavy hitters, which I disagree with. Maybe I should say I am more jealous of his travels and hunts than anything else...though I don't think I have ever read about one of his adventures being DIY... July 2013 Chapter 7. It was discussed over here...... https://www.africahunting.com/threads/cb-finance-debate-egg-recipes-etc.42879/page-2[img] https://www.africahunting.com/attachments/screen-shot-2018-04-06-at-09-58-47-png.223999/[/img] Thanks JR...disappointing for sure. I would imagine there's more to the whole story that isn't being told...but it is still disappointing.
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That's dissappointing. Calhoun?
I would question having his serial (did you mean service) number being engraved onto a rifle...as it is nothing more than his SSN.
I didn't say they put his number on the gun, just that Name, Rank and Serial number is a reference to your identity that wouldn't transfer to someone else of a diffent name...
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When I got drafted in 1969, I was issued a US prefix service number and then a few days later told to forget it and use my SSN. .cant recall the service number. Happy Trails
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Here's Craig Boddington's take on the use of the 6.5 CM on big game, in a recent blog on Wholesale Hunter:
Overall Impressions… and Concerns
"The 6.5mm Creedmoor is a fine cartridge for medium-range work on deer-sized game, and it does its work with very mild recoil. I wish I’d performed a bit better when I joined the Creedmoor Club, but it wasn’t the cartridge and for sure I will use it again. However, the incredible hype surrounding the cartridge right now concerns me. It is not a dragon slayer, and as good as it is for long-range target shooting, it lacks both energy and bullet weight to be an ideal long-range hunting cartridge. At normal hunting ranges I am convinced it is not the equal of the .270 Winchester, and it is certainly not a .30-caliber. If I change my mind I’ll let you know!" I've killed just as many dragons with the 6.5 as I have a .460 Weatherby.
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