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"Tunnel" is the proper term.


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Anxiously awaiting someone to verify the actual FOV

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Originally Posted by ctsmith
Anxiously awaiting someone to verify the actual FOV


I didn't measure the FOV but comparing it to a 1" S&B 6x42, a SWFA 6x, and a Leupold 6x42 it is substantially less than all of them....resting on a table, looking at a square panel mesh gate from about 60 yards or so makes it really easy to see the difference.

The opening pic from the vid that ctsmith posted is what the "tunneling" looks like....except this one doesn't have the BC scope covers on it and looks like that at the widest view/perfect eye relief. I get to pissed off trying to take pics with a cell phone and getting them lined up...may try it later.

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Originally Posted by ctsmith
"Tunnel" is the proper term.


On a fixed-power scope?



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Not typically. Dont know enough about how it all works inside to know if its possible to reduce magnification on a 10x and leave other stuff unchanged, resulting in a tunnel effect. Probably not.

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Originally Posted by JCMCUBIC


I didn't measure the FOV but comparing it to a 1" S&B 6x42, a SWFA 6x, and a Leupold 6x42 it is substantially less than all of them....resting on a table, looking at a square panel mesh gate from about 60 yards or so makes it really easy to see the difference.




Specs on the S&B 1" version is 21' @ 100 yards. This 30mm PM version is 6.4m at 100m which converts to a little over 19' @ 100 yards.

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This "tunneling" aspect of the PM II got me wandering how my scopes images stack up in this respect. Looking through Leupolds, fixed and variable, Ziess Conquest 3x9x40's, Meopta 6x42 and 3.5x10x44, Minox ZE5i and a Hawke 2.5x10x50, I observed very little tunneling effect in any of them. The Leupolds were probably the best of the lot. JCM, is it possible that you got a bad scope or has anyone else reported the same issue on a PM II? RJ

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Originally Posted by rj308
This "tunneling" aspect of the PM II got me wandering how my scopes images stack up in this respect. Looking through Leupolds, fixed and variable, Ziess Conquest 3x9x40's, Meopta 6x42 and 3.5x10x44, Minox ZE5i and a Hawke 2.5x10x50, I observed very little tunneling effect in any of them. The Leupolds were probably the best of the lot. JCM, is it possible that you got a bad scope or has anyone else reported the same issue on a PM II? RJ


It would be great if this is the only one that the problem occurs with. I can't speak to how others are.

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Anyone mount one and do some shooting?

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Mine is mounted but I'm not shooting it yet. I should not have mounted it without spending a little time looking through it first.

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Anymore updates from those that have them?

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Originally Posted by JCMCUBIC
Mine is mounted but I'm not shooting it yet. I should not have mounted it without spending a little time looking through it first.



Have you measured the eye relief?



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Originally Posted by Kimber7man
Hopefully they were wrong and it has the 90mm eye relief of the 10x42 also...


I just got mine in the mail and did a totally unscientific measurement but 90 mm. seems about right.


I'll measure it more accurately when I get home.



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Upon further review, 80 mm is what I get, same as the specs Doug listed. That's measuring the distance from my eye to the scope when I get the full undistorted field of view. When I measure eye relief by shining a flashlight in the objective and focusing on the wall, I get 73 mm.



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3-20x50 PM II (34mm Tube; Elev:: DT/MTC/LT; Wind: ST/ZS/LT; RAL8000) RAL8000 .25 MOA, P4FL2-MOA SFP 668-945-995-B3-A9$3,299.00 Memo: paid, BO, no return, no cancel Subtotal

Euro Optic said 10 weeks on June 1.

It has been 14 weeks and I have to leave to go hunting in 2 weeks.

I called. They can't control what happens in Germany.


Dang! Feel for you here brother!


I have been gone 900 miles away on hunting trip for 3 weeks.

The scope arrived, more like 18 weeks, not 10 weeks.

The wife works 13 hours a day as a software engineer, and is never home when UPS could deliver and get a signature.

The wife drove to some UPS delivery center in Seattle and picked up the scope.

The wife calls me here in this log cabin in MT and yells, "YOU SPENT $3300? I AM APPALLED!"


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If anyone wants to send me one of these S&B 6Xs, I'll happily test it for free.

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Tag for future updates/reviews. Would really like one for my NULA .270 win, but the 80 mm eye relief is keeping me from ordering one:(


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