No they aren't, but there should be more to take place than a phone call followed by a government sanctioned execution, which is basically what happened here as I understand it.
I didn't know about the adoption of these "Red Flag" laws. Very, very disturbing.
Aside from that, the police exercised poor judgement serving this order at 5am. No apparent reason for doing so and I'm sure that contributed to the outcome. I also just read, in the link below, that the police chief cited this as evidence that the law is needed.
He obviously made the decsion to fight it out on the front porch instead of the court.
That will be the decision that others will face under the same circumstances as these types of laws become more pervasive and they will. Highlighted by every "mass" shooting.
If a good chunk of your life savings are tied up in pristine collectable firearms, there can be more to consider than merely winning in court to get them back. What will their value be after they've been tossed into the back of a van together, and stored in a damp environment for a year?
I find this particularly disturbing as well as blatantly unconstitutional. If I haven't done anything wrong, I can't envision standing by and watching police officers load up and haul off my personal property.
I like that "who knows what would have happened if we hadn't gone there at 5am." Like maybe the guy would still be sleeping? They never said what the incident that happened Sunday with the family was.
I trust even less police in places where they have to carry a "department issued" weapon.
No, some of them are crazier than a schidthouse rat, and NEED to have their guns taken away. But it needs to be done with due process, in accordance with the tenets that our justice system was founded on.
While it's true that all liberals are crazy people, not all crazy people are liberals.
I like that "who knows what would have happened if we hadn't gone there at 5am." Like maybe the guy would still be sleeping? They never said what the incident that happened Sunday with the family was.
It's guaranteed to remain confidential. That's the law. You can report anything to the police, triggering this response, without having to worry about libel suits and such, as they want to encourage such reporting.
Now that the left has complete control here in Colorado again they've already begun to talk about getting a red flag law in place before even being sworn in! Book it! And as others have said this will be abused by the likes of the scorned woman or disgruntled neighbor.
No, some of them are crazier than a schidthouse rat, and NEED to have their guns taken away. But it needs to be done with due process, in accordance with the tenets that our justice system was founded on.
Exactly, a hearing, with an attorney, in an adversarial environment, a neutral judge, opportunity to confront accusers (no hiding behind confidentiality), and opportunity to hear and refute the charges, etc., etc.. Before all that happens, you are presumed innocent, and your property isn't touched. That's what the Constitution and traditional American jurisprudence requires. Absent that, it's literally nothing short of armed robbery.
At the critical point of contact you have two options legal or physical.
There is no societal apparatus to suport you currently should you choose the physical.
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by FatCity67
He obviously made the decsion to fight it out on the front porch instead of the court. That will be the decision that others will face under the same circumstances as these types of laws become more pervasive and they will. Highlighted by every "mass" shooting.
If a good chunk of your life savings are tied up in pristine collectable firearms, there can be more to consider than merely winning in court to get them back. What will their value be after they've been tossed into the back of a van together, and stored in a damp environment for a year?
"Maybe we're all happy."
"Go to the sporting goods store. From the files, obtain form 4473. These will contain descriptions of weapons and lists of private ownership."
So the Vikings raid your village, break into your home and, at sword point, demand your life savings. What do you do? Hope that you can win a lawsuit against them at some later date?
